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Ampol AmpCharge network
- Thread starter moa999
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That will stop the purely opportunistic charging just because it is free. It will be interesting to see if the Plugshare complaints of people arriving to find the charger occupied for lengthy periods will reduce?
This seems to be where the market is converging right now, at least for charging over 50kW.
It's sort of interesting we aren't seeing different price tariffs in different areas even though the distribution charges can vary a lot - or for that matter, peak vs off peak tariffs.
Albeit a problem for Ampol,
Because for 90% of cars unless arriving at a very low SOC and hot battery you won't be seeing over 50kW.
Equally we haven't seen any pricing differentials between peak and off-peak power usage for DC chargers (unlike say the Waverley, Randwick, Woollahra AC network).
The only exception to your rule is probably Tasmania where some of the more remote chargers have a premium.
In most networks and even retail (electricity, supermarkets, general retail) there is some form of cross-subsidy occuring from time to time.
I would be totally OK with variable time-of-day and location pricing. For a business to be sustainable, the amount it charges customers has to reflect its input costs.
When DCFCs are commoditised, and there are 100,000 across Australia and not fewer than 1000, scope for cross-subsidisation and common pricing will be a lot better.
agree. Hopefully it would also allow for price reductions during periods of high renewable/solar generation.
So looking at the plugshare check-ins for Northmead it looks like a pretty significant drop off in use. Not unexpected. If the speed was as advertised I would Chuck em a few bucks now and then but as I have a 50kW Evie site handy they get my DC dollars for now.
NRMA, take note.
It always still bemuses me that people behave so disproportionately in response to ”free”.
I'm not surprised. I don't know who would pay 60c/kWh for 84kW charging but I wouldn't.
They always work and nearly always have a free stall.
You’d be charging at that rate (and less) once the battery reaches about 55% in a Model 3 LR. So you are paying 60c/kWh for 84 kW charging already (Superchargers are now 68c/kWh), unless you never charge above 55%.
2021 Tesla Model 3 LR AWD With 82 kWh Battery: Charging Analysis
Today we will take a look at the most recent fast charging test of the 2021 Tesla Model 3 Long Range version, conducted by Bjørn Nyland at a V3 Supercharger.
insideevs.com
For reference I have a 2022 M3 RWD with LFP 60kW pack -You’d be charging at that rate (and less) once the battery reaches about 55% in a Model 3 LR. So you are paying 60c/kWh for 84 kW charging already (Superchargers are now 68c/kWh), unless you never charge above 55%.
2021 Tesla Model 3 LR AWD With 82 kWh Battery: Charging Analysis
Today we will take a look at the most recent fast charging test of the 2021 Tesla Model 3 Long Range version, conducted by Bjørn Nyland at a V3 Supercharger.
Looking at my Tessie app recent records of SC with the most recent at Goulburn Chargefox 350, the car achieved 76kW charge speed at exactly 76% SOC, it then started to ramp down as it got closer to the 80%. This charge session was from 46% with pre-conditioning.
When I used Northmead Ampcharge it was obviously a flat curve with speed @ 74kW from 46%-76% then it started to ramp down. Again, was a pre-conditioned battery.
So, at about 75% is the spot for a 60kW LFP equipped vehicle. Obviously the Northmead or Alexandria Ampcharge aren't really 'road trip' chargers so the extra time isn't as relevant but the cost to speed ratio could be for some.
If I'm travelling and there's an Ampol charger there, I'll use it and pay the 60c no worries. I just think at this stage the more chargers the better and they all need to be encouraged.
That is good for me getting a y and I’m sure it won’t make the odd Sydney return journey. I’m sure I’ll need a 10-15 min quick zap somewhere good to see. Don’t care for free.
I would love to see a 50kw charger in my town for the times you are caught short and the granny charger can’t charge the car enough for the next journey. I’m doubtful and I will be updating my power to 3 phase but that will be after getting the car.
I would love to see a 50kw charger in my town for the times you are caught short and the granny charger can’t charge the car enough for the next journey. I’m doubtful and I will be updating my power to 3 phase but that will be after getting the car.
