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An Answer To "But, Solyndra!!111"

Discussion in 'Energy, Environment, and Policy' started by JRP3, Sep 13, 2015.

  1. JRP3

    JRP3 Hyperactive Member

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    I think this is a good reference article to put things in perspective when certain people try to pull the "Solyndra" card. Fair warning, there is some praise for Obama in the article :wink:

    http://www.salon.com/2015/09/12/obama_has_done_more_for_clean_energy_than_you_think_partner/
     
  2. jhs_7645

    jhs_7645 VIN: #3305

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    Let’s be crystal clear, Tesla got their loan from the Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing Loan Program.. which was funded by the Bush administration. Obama had absolutely nothin to do with it.

    That article is mis-leading bringing Tesla in the discussion. There are so many reasons to *not* compare Tesla to Solyndra it’s not even funny.

    Interestingly, every single person that I know who has brought up the Solyndra comparison has an agenda to point to a failed Obama Administration policy. The instant I tell people the facts about Tesla getting the loan from the Bush Administration (republican) that usually ends the discussion quickly. And if people go on to slam Tesla for even receiving govt. money I point out that Nissan (not even an american company) actually got *MORE* money from that program than did Tesla.

    For the record, Ford got $5.9B, Nissan got $1.6B and Tesla got a paltry $465 million.

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    Wow… reading that article further:
    What total BS.. The writer of the article seems to know and understand where the money came from but still wants to credit Obama… sheesh.
     
  3. JRP3

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    I read that as Tesla's success helps hit the higher fuel efficiency standards set by the administration. I don't see it as directly crediting Obama for Tesla.
     
  4. ggr

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    The loan program was Bush's, but the increased fuel efficiency standards were Obama's (and he was widely criticized for them at the time).
     
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    That is not my point at all. My point is that the article is misleading by referring to the loan that Tesla got as "helping the Obama administration's higher fuel-efficiency standard - Raising fuel-efficiency standards isn't the only way the president has tackled climate change head on".

    An example of how mis-leading that is ... let's say that President Clinton put in place a new govt program (call it.. Advanced Math Program) with a goal to raise school test scores for K-12 in math, and President Bush in the following term makes a goal to raise math scores in math. Somebody comes along later and writes:
    "Bush is doing more for education than you think" -- then points to the Advanced Math Program as one of the reasons Bush is so successful.

    I only push on this because they brought Tesla's loan into the article and Obama had ZERO to do with that.
     
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    But it is a fact that the success of Tesla will help to meet Obama's fuel efficiency standards. The actual quote referencing fuel standards doesn't even directly mention Tesla, but Ford:

    I think you're reading more into it than is actually there, though I do agree there is an implied connection.
     

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