willow_hiller
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It's software, it doesn't depreciate
It does when it's a single-use license tied to a vehicle's VIN. If 50% of the useful life of the vehicle is gone, so is 50% of the value of FSD.
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It's software, it doesn't depreciate
The hardware deteriorates with age but the software is opposite: It gets better as it gets matured.It does when it's a single-use license tied to a vehicle's VIN. If 50% of the useful life of the vehicle is gone, so is 50% of the value of FSD.
A valid point, but of course Tesla keeps raising the price. If they followed the above philosophy it would be cheaper to buy FSD the more miles you have on your car. (Which would make many people wait until it actually works before buying it for a car...)It does when it's a single-use license tied to a vehicle's VIN. If 50% of the useful life of the vehicle is gone, so is 50% of the value of FSD.
I honestly can't see FSD being worth $100K. I think they are pushing the limit now at $15K.The older the FSD gets, the resell value should get higher toward the $100,000 tweet estimate:
Tesla to hike FSD price but Musk says worth $100K
Tesla's Full Self Driving package will rise by $US1,000 come July 1, but Musk says it will be worth more than $100K in time.thedriven.io
It's the same principle as if I buy a bond for $15,000. At maturity, it's explained to me that I'll get $100,000, not just the measly $15,000. Very easy math. Very easy to understand. That's what's great about Elon Musk: Your car will make money for you so what can go wrong?I honestly can't see FSD being worth $100K. I think they are pushing the limit now at $15K.
...Not sure about $100K, but it's worth a lot more given the capabilities of L4...
There is a big difference. A bond has the guaranteed value at maturity. Musk is guaranteeing absolutely nothing. I don't see any money back guarantee either.It's the same principle as if I buy a bond for $15,000. At maturity, it's explained to me that I'll get $100,000, not just the measly $15,000. Very easy math. Very easy to understand. That's what's great about Elon Musk: Your car will make money for you so what can go wrong?
Sounds like we are back to the topic of whether to believe the engineer or not. For Canada, that's an unlicensed engineer.There is a big difference. A bond has the guaranteed value at maturity. Musk is guaranteeing absolutely nothing. I don't see any money back guarantee either.
Nope. I just don't believe Musk is The Messiah. Endless promises over many years. Believe what you want and drink the Kool-Aid. You have lots of company.Sounds like we are back to the topic of whether to believe the engineer or not. For Canada, that's an unlicensed engineer.
This presumes Tesla is the only game in town. Of course, a score of companies are working to also produce self-driving systems to be used in robotaxis and other cars. In a competitive market, you can't charge such a fortune, no matter how much money it makes for you. In a competitive market the price of rides drops and your income from them drops too.FSD could earn $30,000 annually by picking up rides even you are sleeping at home.
So if you sleep through 4 years, that's $120,000. Very easy math!
Elon Musk: Tesla owners could earn $30,000 per year with robotaxis
Take the robotaxi out of it, I'm just talking about your car driving you everywhere like a personal chauffeur. That's worth a lot.FSD could earn $30,000 annually by picking up rides even you are sleeping at home.
So if you sleep through 4 years, that's $120,000. Very easy math!
Elon Musk: Tesla owners could earn $30,000 per year with robotaxis
I can only tell you my experience for the last several weeks of shopping. Go look at the used Tesla inventory--almost all of them come with FSD and I don't think there's much of a mark up on price for them having it.Tesla removes fSD before a non-Tesla dealer gets the car. The press covered when that procedure went wrong as the next owner saw clearly that the FSD was not removed:
Tesla Remotely Removes Autopilot Features From Customer's Used Tesla Without Any Notice [Updated]
One of the less-considered side effects of car features moving from hardware to software is that important features and abilities of a car can now be removed without any actual contact with a given car. Where once de-contenting involved at least a screwdriver (or, if you were in a hurry, a...jalopnik.com
Yes--the entire used inventory seems to have FSD. That's been my experience when shopping for the past few weeks.Indeed (and I think this is new) most cars on Tesla used cars have FSD. In fact, too many of them, which suggests Tesla is adding it as a way to get more money from the cars during this period that new cars have a long wait.
This is different from the question of whether Tesla pays you more on your trade-in if it has FSD or not. That I don't know. Whether a car for sale used from Tesla has little to do with whether the car had FSD when it came in, other than perhaps the question of whether it had HW3 or not when it came in.
We would need more data to figure out what's going on.
My experience buying one 48 hours ago and shopping over the past two weeks says otherwise. Go look at the used Tesla inventory online.If an FSD equipped car ends up going back to Tesla for resale or thru an auction FSD will be removed.
Free market competition and the application of different sensors and approaches is healthy. It may yield multiple options for a general solution from different players.Current MobilEye commercial L4 costs around $10's thousand.
2024/2025 Future competition: MobilEye Consumer L4 that drives "everywhere" with the car manufacturer cost <$5K, and it can have an MSRP of $10,000 for consumers.
Cost reduction will be possible by reducing the numbers of LIDAR down to one for the front only and using Software-Defined Imaging Radars for the rest of the 360-degree coverage.
I think MobilEye Software-Defined Imaging Radar is like 4D-radar that can yield more info such as an object's speed, direction, depth, and elevation:
It can simulate as if it's LIDAR:
The picture below is not from a camera. It comes from Software-Define Imaging Radar:
This is not about the current FSD beta that requires hands-on steering, or you'll be expelled from the program.
This is about 2025 L4 driving everywhere for consumers, not geofenced commercial robotaxi.
In the meantime, we can see the preview by monitoring MobilEye's deployment of geofenced L4 robotaxis testing in some cities worldwide.
According to the article, the uptake goes down but interestingly, it seems to go up for Tesla's used webpage....resale price...