in a discussion with tesla sales, they indicate that always charging @100% will affect your warranty if you should have early battery degradation. I guess big brother is watching how often to charge and at what percentage. Hope I'm wrong.
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in a discussion with tesla sales, they indicate that always charging @100% will affect your warranty if you should have early battery degradation. I guess big brother is watching how often to charge and at what percentage. Hope I'm wrong.
Was that in connection with the new 60 specifically?
For 99% of the cars they've delivered, that makes perfect sense. The available evidence suggests it won't make sense for the refreshed S60.
Reeler
Decade of Pure EV Driving
Margin is on top not bottom. Might be nice to put a little on the bottom for this feature.
Sure, the D has specific content (parts and software) that does not exist in the rear motor only car...and is more capable because of that content. In that case the value associated with the additional cost is evident. Additionally, the car costs more to produce, so it makes sense that it costs more to buy.
I understand the market position of the 60, but it's got a whiff of b.s. to it.
Because the 70 is gone.. yes I save 5 grand but the range is significantly impacted. The 9 grand upgrade also is too expensive, and will definitely seems way too expensive once the $35k before tax incentive model 3 with better range hits the road!
I am impatient but I hope something better. I can't imagine how much this is going to be worth once the model 3 hits the road. I know some say "it's not the same car", "it's luxury" etc but we are not talking about a high end model S with ludicrous mode here, we are talking of the lowest end mode with a range lower than the model 3.
I guess at some point we will be able to jailbreak it but then what will happen to battery warranty?
I think that's how Tesla's going to collect the 'upgrade fees' -- some people will jailbreak their batteries but it'll void the warranty, and most people won't want to void the warranty. Lots of people will probably jailbreak the cars after the 8 year warranty is up, but does Tesla really care at that point? Probably not.
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
I think you answered your question ... the jailbreak will be common after the warranty expires.
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e-FTW
New electron smell
I am a huge AWD fan (from decades of driving in Canada), but frankly, I don't get why more people don't get the "non-D" base models. Why not use that money for a few other goodies? Cool color, wheels, pano roof, etc...
Rear-wheel drive cars are pretty good in 2016. Especially this one!
One often reads that "luxury-car buyers expect to have all-wheel drive". I am the bargain basement guy around here I guess!
Rear-wheel drive cars are pretty good in 2016. Especially this one!
One often reads that "luxury-car buyers expect to have all-wheel drive". I am the bargain basement guy around here I guess!
It's been called Autopilot Convenience Features for some time -- several months since I've been tracking.
If you are looking at pure performance, sure, but with a 0-60 of 5.5 sec and a 210 mile range, its pretty close to the Model 3 specs, with more room and a hatchback, which might be more important to some folks. Until the Model 3 pricing is out, its going to be hard to tell what the true pricing delta between cars is.
RogerHScott
Active Member
If you're including software in "content" then the upgrades -- which involve changing the software -- are content as well as capability.
If it turns out to be more cost-effective (in some weird, complicated way) for Tesla to physically deliver unused content to you before
you choose to pay to realize the capability it enables, why does that bother you?
I just finishing ordering my 60 just now! I was actually planning on getting a loaded Bolt later this year but I started looking at some MS CPOs. This change got me off the fence and into a MS. Now I just have to wait for my car!
RogerHScott
Active Member
So now do I have a dilemma? Put a $1000 deposit on a CPO S60 last month but still awaiting delivery. Car has been shipped so I'm obligated to pay the $1500 shipping if I decide to walk away or move my deposit to another car... Do I stay the course on the 2-year-old 60 or consider ordering a new one?
CPO (P34xxx), built 3/2014, 51K miles, $89,520 new; priced at $51,800 plus $1500 shipping is $53,300 plus tax.
Blue Metallic Paint (darker, discontinued), Pano, Tan Nappa, Premium Interior Lighting, Parking Sensors, Fog Lamps, 19", Obeche, Tech Pkg, UHFS, Smart Air, Supercharging, Paint Armor
Building a 60 outfitted similarly is $77,250 plus tax. Minus $7500 tax credit, so roughly $70,000 net.
60 RWD, Multi-Pattern Seats, Premium Upgrades ($3000), Smart Air ($2500), UHFS ($2500),
Nice to have:
Add $2500 for Next Gen seats
Add $2500 for Autopilot Convenience Features
I could forego air suspension (subtract $2500), so nets at $73,500.
The AP is very nice, no doubt, but I don't know if that plus the unlimited mileage battery warranty and a few other upgrades are worth $20,000 to me. And when my Model 3 reservation comes up I may trade/sell the S at that time... If I buy the new car and then move to the 3 in two years I'll take a huge hit on depreciation, much less on the CPO car.
I think I answered my own question, but always interested to hear the collective wisdom of this board.
CPO (P34xxx), built 3/2014, 51K miles, $89,520 new; priced at $51,800 plus $1500 shipping is $53,300 plus tax.
Blue Metallic Paint (darker, discontinued), Pano, Tan Nappa, Premium Interior Lighting, Parking Sensors, Fog Lamps, 19", Obeche, Tech Pkg, UHFS, Smart Air, Supercharging, Paint Armor
Building a 60 outfitted similarly is $77,250 plus tax. Minus $7500 tax credit, so roughly $70,000 net.
60 RWD, Multi-Pattern Seats, Premium Upgrades ($3000), Smart Air ($2500), UHFS ($2500),
Nice to have:
Add $2500 for Next Gen seats
Add $2500 for Autopilot Convenience Features
I could forego air suspension (subtract $2500), so nets at $73,500.
The AP is very nice, no doubt, but I don't know if that plus the unlimited mileage battery warranty and a few other upgrades are worth $20,000 to me. And when my Model 3 reservation comes up I may trade/sell the S at that time... If I buy the new car and then move to the 3 in two years I'll take a huge hit on depreciation, much less on the CPO car.
I think I answered my own question, but always interested to hear the collective wisdom of this board.
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