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Another death in a Tesla (Castro Valley, CA)
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Pinot.Noir
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Flipped over falling into the lake, and likely hit a tree. My guess is the car was found upside down on the bottom. The news report said there were several trees in the lake, which made the car hard to remove, so a lot of damage could have happened during removal.
Pinot.Noir
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I think it's super good to microscope Tesla accident like this, fatality or not. We look into these accidents and try to prevent them, that's how we improve.
Larger fleet sure leads to more accident scenes, but that's not the reason we consider any accident is "normal" or just "driver's fault".
Other cars have many accidents in an hour makes people numb about car accidents, that's the problem.
and indeed, I'm not happy about recent Tesla accidents. No matter how he runs off-road, but where is the EBS in this case? can't see the fence? same as the rear-ended fire truck case.
You can say Tesla is still safer than other manufacturers, but I expect Tesla to prevent exactly this kind accident at least.
I even wonder if the recent AP update gives people too much false positive safe feelings. AP is running smoother and smarter recently, but not necessarily safer as you have no idea when AP will fail.
It's a baby walker, feels safe, drives you far, but crash hard. Not a good metaphor but you know what I mean...
Larger fleet sure leads to more accident scenes, but that's not the reason we consider any accident is "normal" or just "driver's fault".
Other cars have many accidents in an hour makes people numb about car accidents, that's the problem.
and indeed, I'm not happy about recent Tesla accidents. No matter how he runs off-road, but where is the EBS in this case? can't see the fence? same as the rear-ended fire truck case.
You can say Tesla is still safer than other manufacturers, but I expect Tesla to prevent exactly this kind accident at least.
I even wonder if the recent AP update gives people too much false positive safe feelings. AP is running smoother and smarter recently, but not necessarily safer as you have no idea when AP will fail.
It's a baby walker, feels safe, drives you far, but crash hard. Not a good metaphor but you know what I mean...
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With the risk of being considered sarcastic I venture to say DUI/DWI was a factor. Saturday night is the deadliest time on US roads. He likely drowned while semiconscious, I hope that between the concussion and above the anoxia awareness was absent. RIP, thankfully he did not take any other souls to serve him as slaves on the Happy Hunting Ground, as Great Planes tribes believe.
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Pinot.Noir
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Apaches? This is Miwok territory. There were no Apache tribes in California.
Sunday: TMC Posters: Tesla is a totally different and new kind of car and car company! It's not like other cars! Judge it differently!
Monday: TMC Posters: Why does the media not treat Tesla like any other car manufacturer? It's not fair!
Monday: TMC Posters: Why does the media not treat Tesla like any other car manufacturer? It's not fair!
dhanson865
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300,000th vehicle was produced in February 2018. It's almost 200,000 in the US.
It's not very like AP because the system limits the speed to 5mph over the speed limit on undivided roads. The speed limit on this road was 35mph so the maximum velocity of AP would be 40mph. Given the amount of damage (trees knocked down, etc) makes it highly unprobeable that AP was involved).
The only thing I could see causing that is absolutely reckless speeds. Even being drunk doesn't really fit.
Pinot.Noir
Member
What kind of planes are they flying? I had no idea they had a leg up on the Wright Brothers.
Pinot.Noir
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My wife believes it was a medical incident. I think he might have been drunk and fell asleep at the wheel. Definitely not an AP issue....IMHO.
Includes parts of a statement from CHP but not much new information:
Tesla Cooperates With Deadly Pond Crash Investigation
Bruce.
Tesla Cooperates With Deadly Pond Crash Investigation
Bruce.
"The driver of a Tesla Model S who was killed when his car crashed into a pond in Castro Valley, Calif., this past weekend was not using its semi-autonomous Autopilot feature at the time of the accident. “We have been able to recover enough data from the vehicle to confirm that Autopilot was not engaged at the time of this accident,” Tesla told KTVU."
Barklikeadog
Active Member
Exactly... because Elon Musk depended on clicks and media stories for years... safest car ever built! Car will drive itself! He is constantly promoting the brand...
and now he can't handle the scrutiny of the very system he loves.
He put himself in this position.
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