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Another fatal autopilot crash - China

Discussion in 'Model S' started by byan1232, Sep 14, 2016.

  1. byan1232

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    Actually, we don't know if it is autopilot related or not. Tesla couldn't download the logs due to the severity of the wreck and the family apparently hasn't allowed direct access to the vehicle.
     
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    If confirmed to be on AP, then there goes the "1 fatality in 200 million miles on AP is better than the national/international ratio" pseudo-statistics argument.
     
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    yep....... the statistics are MUCH worse after the second fatal AP accident.
     
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    How could the driver not see this coming...???
     
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    I was always thinking that it was a bad move to use these "statistic" numbers, mainly for 2 reasons:

    1. As soon as second fatality happens, they will backfire
    2. Using statistics in such cases will not improve public perception of what AP really is, plus it will not address the emotional aspect of the topic appropriately
     
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    On AP and not paying attention. Or not on AP, and paying even less attention. Or a medical issue. Hard to tell. But what definitely shows again is that AEB really does not work against stationary objects.
     
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    The same way someone could miss a tractor trailer crossing in front of you.. by *more than likely* being distracted by a cell phone or something else inside the car. Whether on AP or not doesn't matter.. since it's dangerous to take your eyes off the road in either situation.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    The headline is wrong until confirmed. There is no evidence this was AP related yet. Until Tesla has access to the logs (which they have not been allowed to see), I don't see how anyone could say.
     
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    And this is what Tesla needs to start saying.
    Stop investigating what new restrictions you can add to autopilot to make it worse and more dangerous, and start fighting back against this ridiculous perception that AP is even capable of being at fault when it's clear that it is a driver assistance feature and not a driver replacement feature.
    I know it's not politically correct to blame a dead person, but it is almost guaranteed to be their fault, so come out and say it!
     
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    Which is actually called out right in the manual...
     
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    And is the same in virtually every implementation from every manufacturer.
     
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    Looks like kamikaze... may his soul RIP.
     
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    But, due to rampant double-standards, will never be reported as such by any media outlet.
     
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    Oh absolutely! I guess what I am trying to say is: removing that limitation should be on a list of things to improve with a pretty high priority. And I hope what Tesla is doing with V8 is addressing this.
     
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    Yup yup!
     
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    Easy, they weren't looking in the same direction the car was going. For a long time.
     
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    In this video at 0:54 you can hear him singing just before the accident. Doesn't look like a medical issue. Highly likely that autopilot was on (because the car was perfectly centered in the lane all the time) and he wasn't watching the road. He had maybe 4 or 5 seconds to react.

     
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