TacC
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IDGI. It sounds like we agree on that.Except the story is apocryphal.
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IDGI. It sounds like we agree on that.Except the story is apocryphal.
Oh you meant the CHIMES!I would imagine one of the more useful things to come out of this will be some revisions to the AP UI--things like spoken alerts instead of the more generic bongs, etc. Although, I guess one advantage of a bong is its the same in English as it is in Mandarin.
Oh you meant the CHIMES!
I thought a different kind of bong
Why am I not surprised it wasn't engaged? As someone who lives in China, this looks to me to be typical of a certain set of behaviour. There is a lot of scamming to get compensation from companies. I am sure that's what this is.
nor will he likely to be the last, but that doesn't mean we should blame the technology.In this particular case the driver was a fairly wealthy well known individual. Sometimes in life you just have to accept the simplest explanation. In this case he likely didn't realize it wasn't on. So it really comes down to a UI issue. He certainly wouldn't be the first person to crash a Tesla thinking Autopilot was on when it wasn't.
nor will he likely to be the last, but that doesn't mean we should blame the technology.
My thought is that the entire color scheme of the driver's display should change when on AP so it was totally obvious. The current UI is pretty subtle both in showing the 3 states, off, TACC, AP and the transitions.
I could also imagine the car continuing to monitor the wheel, even when AP was off, and if it couldn't detect a hand on it, emit some pretty noticeable warnings. We're all in agreement that people should have at least one hand on the wheel when not in AP, right?
Autopilot is already pretty bad in this regard. I often will rest my hands on the bottom of the steering wheel while in Autopilot (so my hand are on the wheel as they want), but I still get "Place hands on wheel" alerts that require me to firmly grasp it in order to register.Given the current hardware, that would be pretty hard to detect without a lot of false positives. It detects torque on the wheel, which in a lot of normal, hands-on-wheel situations would be minimal. Without a contact sensor, this wouldn't be feasible without being annoying.
Autopilot is already pretty bad in this regard. I often will rest my hands on the bottom of the steering wheel while in Autopilot (so my hand are on the wheel as they want), but I still get "Place hands on wheel" alerts that require me to firmly grasp it in order to register.
Autopilot is already pretty bad in this regard. I often will rest my hands on the bottom of the steering wheel while in Autopilot (so my hand are on the wheel as they want), but I still get "Place hands on wheel" alerts that require me to firmly grasp it in order to register.
Me too. I raised an eyebrow when one of Tesla's statements about one of the crashes said that the software could detect hands rested on the wheel from micro torque movements. It doesn't appear to in my case. I have to actually jiggle the wheel for it to realize I'm holding it.
Alright, so he was ignoring/missing the warnings up until the car slowed down. He acted by grabbing the steering wheel and pressing the accelerator down. 10 seconds later he drifts out of his lane and crashes.
I wonder if he thought Autopilot was back on after he intervened (based on his statement to police)? Either that or he was still distracted/impaired in some manner while driving (or both - thought AP was on AND was distracted/impaired).
That's a horrible article. No one is making drivers use Autopilot. Its not Automatically On upon delivery.I think that he didn't understand, that AP had disengaged. As you know, normally when you get the nag and put some pressure on the wheel AP continues to operate.
Here is an interesting article of NASA's research on AP-human interface problems;
What NASA Could Teach Tesla about Autopilot's Limits
I think that he didn't understand, that AP had disengaged. As you know, normally when you get the nag and put some pressure on the wheel AP continues to operate.
Here is an interesting article of NASA's research on AP-human interface problems;
What NASA Could Teach Tesla about Autopilot's Limits
That's a horrible article. No one is making drivers use Autopilot. Its not Automatically On upon delivery.
I really don't understand. I don't understand the difference between AP and cruise control as far as liability is concerned.
Autopilot is already pretty bad in this regard. I often will rest my hands on the bottom of the steering wheel while in Autopilot (so my hand are on the wheel as they want), but I still get "Place hands on wheel" alerts that require me to firmly grasp it in order to register.