The strange comment in the Yahoo discussion was that the "best case scenario" for Tesla reaching 330,000 units sold @ 12.5% margin in " was in16 years." Very strange, since Elon's plan, if it works out well should have Tesla selling more than 330,000 units with margins probably no worse than 12.5% within four years' time. And actually the real best case scenario is for higher sales and better margin within that time.
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Anti-Tesla Gibberish
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I sent the writer the following reply:
Wow,
As an owner of a Tesla, your article is full of mistakes! I have 40K electric miles and have truly enjoyed every one of them.
I typically get 250 miles per charge around town and at reasonable highway speeds. To decrease the mileage to the 180 miles you have quoted, I would have to do continuous jackrabbit starts and/or drive at 80 mph +.
Most people paying for electricity charge at night where the price averages 6 cents per Kwh. To fill a completely empty battery the cost is $5. I have solar and produce more than I use even with two EV's, so in my case my cost was prepaid with the cost of the solar, and is now $0.
90% depreciation is not realistic either. I have a 23 year old chevy pickup truck that is worth 25%. Due to the parts that do not wear out in an electric vehicle, and being able to update systems with software updates I would estimate a 50% depreciation as being more realistic.
The Tesla battery is guaranteed for 8 years. Projections are for the battery to last twice that long. In 16 years, if the car is still in existence, it is likely that a better battery will be available for less.
Time spent to charge is almost nothing as plugging in at night leaves you with a full battery daily. Using Tesla Superchargers (Also FREE!) for longer trips has very short waits for charges to complete. They are usually less than 30 minutes. If you add all the time I spent waiting for a charge to complete, it is much less than the time I would have spent pumping gas in a non-EV car.
You did miss the repair costs for the Tesla. Many have found that the skills necessary to repair the aluminum structure to be more expensive than they have anticipated and in comparison to normal steel structures.
Thanks for considering my views.
StapleGun
Member
This article has an impressive amount of deception, incorrect math, logical fallacies, and outright lies for only being a few paragraphs long. The bullshit density is truly off the charts. I could go through line by line and point out all the things wrong but instead I'll single out a few of my favorites.
38mi + (9gal * 35mpg) = 270 mi?
It's actually 353 miles.
Ok, so 100 miles just disappeared from the already incorrect calculation above. Also of course we all know the driving pattern of Volt owners is to empty their gas tank before plugging in again. Because you know... most people drive 353 miles a day.
By double counting the battery the author claims the $74,000 car depreciates by $79,000 in 10 years.
At least he got one thing right, it is very doubtful a 10-year old Model S will be worth $7400 :wink:
$4 / 40 mpg = $0.04/mile?
Yea... sure.
"They don't make engineers like the used to...."
... and thank heavens for that, apparently. I think his slide rule broke a few decades back.
Thumper
Active Member
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
StapleGun
Member
I recognized a few familiar names as I read through the comments. Reading this garbage is always a nice reminder that Tesla still has so much room to grow. Living in California and hanging around TMC a lot it feels like the secret is out but then I remember there's still people like this.
I got an answer from my e-mail and offered the following reply!
Time will tell on Depreciation. I have many friends that drive in Boston very happily. While yes, your range will be less in extreme temperatures, it is not as you portray.
I would like to extend an offer for a dialogue with me and my colleagues close to you to better educate you on this topic.
Lloyd
In a message dated 2/22/2014 9:25:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Hi Lloyd,
I will bet your Tesla will be worthless in 10 years. It will have no resale value.
Try driving your Tesla here in Boston in sub-freezing weather, Your range will go down when you run the heater. Also your voltage will go down.. Also your current capacity. Batteries hate cold.
mat
Time will tell on Depreciation. I have many friends that drive in Boston very happily. While yes, your range will be less in extreme temperatures, it is not as you portray.
I would like to extend an offer for a dialogue with me and my colleagues close to you to better educate you on this topic.
Lloyd
In a message dated 2/22/2014 9:25:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Hi Lloyd,
I will bet your Tesla will be worthless in 10 years. It will have no resale value.
Try driving your Tesla here in Boston in sub-freezing weather, Your range will go down when you run the heater. Also your voltage will go down.. Also your current capacity. Batteries hate cold.
mat
Additional from Mat, I did not respond.
hope you understand that I meant no disrespect to owners of EVs when I said the resale value of 10-year-old EVs will be very low. Remember the DeLorian? Used ones a worthless and they never even became collectable.
Everyone is entitled to buy whatever car they wish. The Volt is costlier to dive than a comparable ICE powered car. The ICE is being revolutionizes. Compacts will be delivering 40 to 45 mpg in a few years.
Your emails and those of your colleagues will always be welcome.
mat
hope you understand that I meant no disrespect to owners of EVs when I said the resale value of 10-year-old EVs will be very low. Remember the DeLorian? Used ones a worthless and they never even became collectable.
Everyone is entitled to buy whatever car they wish. The Volt is costlier to dive than a comparable ICE powered car. The ICE is being revolutionizes. Compacts will be delivering 40 to 45 mpg in a few years.
Your emails and those of your colleagues will always be welcome.
mat
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Actually used DeLoreans are not worthless, and the company is still in business, or back in business. http://delorean.com/ Supposedly there were going to do an EV model as well.
Man-oh-man - I came this close to throwing out a 10-page rebuttal last night to all the drivel slobbered amongst the article's responses. It would have been centered on how some of us Tesla owners are a helluvalot more conservative than the grannytranny F-150 drivers who think they represent Amurrica as is oughterbe, and carrying on from there. Luckily, my wife had other ideas of how to spend a Saturday night.
Krugerrand
Meow
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
You should have gone for it, their heads would have exploded if they couldn't use the standard "greenie hippy libtard socialist" comeback. Though you probably had a better time with the wife.
As a Boston Model S driver, I feel qualified to respond:
So the takeaway is yes, in the cold, BEVs have less range. This isn't news to anyone on this list. And the BIG difference 'tween the Tesla and every other EV so far is when you've got so much range to begin with having a bit less in the winter isn't a big deal.
I feel sorry for "mat" in that he's assuming a chemical reality (that chemical reactions are slower when cold), and conflating it with "thus the Tesla doesn't work in the cold". Poor "mat". He doesn't know what he's missing.
True. (But not by nearly as much as he thinks)
Probably True (I've no way to actually measure it)
The nice thing about the Tesla BMS is they aren't cold when I need them.
So the takeaway is yes, in the cold, BEVs have less range. This isn't news to anyone on this list. And the BIG difference 'tween the Tesla and every other EV so far is when you've got so much range to begin with having a bit less in the winter isn't a big deal.
I feel sorry for "mat" in that he's assuming a chemical reality (that chemical reactions are slower when cold), and conflating it with "thus the Tesla doesn't work in the cold". Poor "mat". He doesn't know what he's missing.
Krugerrand
Meow
Because some cosmetics are very hard to clean off of plastic
That you know that is a bit disturbing.
Of course, brianman, it doesn't have to be OR, but I was unsure if AudubonB could stand the excitement of both events at the same time.
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