Any hack to remove the autopilot nag?
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No, you're pressed to be right that you can't accept fail as a valid word for a car plowing into back of cars
Well lets see.
Exactly where on the steering wheel does the airbag deploy?
This weight is velcro strapped to a spoke of the wheel....
Well lets see.
Exactly where on the steering wheel does the airbag deploy?
This weight is velcro strapped to a spoke of the wheel....
Az_Rael
Supporting Member
Well, I hope your velcro is rated for crash load G's. I am sure you pulled the specs on that velcro and made sure though.
The thing is, if the airbag comes out, it will actually block the weight from hitting me. The weight is actually behind the steering wheel. It would have to go around the spoke its behind, then somehow go through the airbag to reach my face. Just won't happen.
Now of course, if you attach any weight to the center of the steering wheel, like the where you can press the horn, then yes, you're in trouble if the airbag comes out. If you look at the autopilot buddy, you will see its attached in the spoke of the wheel. Unaffected by an airbag blasting out.
Nice try though....
Az_Rael
Supporting Member
Nah, you could never be hit twice in an accident in traffic. Nice try though.
sduck
Mr. Duck
Here are my various hacks -
I would never ever consider using any kind of attached weight on the steering wheel. Unless you can find one that can react instantly when the car in front of you swerves suddenly to avoid the refrigerator that's lying in the road. Or similar surprises that require instant response.
I would never ever consider using any kind of attached weight on the steering wheel. Unless you can find one that can react instantly when the car in front of you swerves suddenly to avoid the refrigerator that's lying in the road. Or similar surprises that require instant response.
Hmmm, guess you don't know what a hack is then.....
But why in the world do you and others think because some weight is on the steering wheel you can't see down the road?
Why do yall think weight on the steering wheel prevents the driver from scanning down the road and seeing a big ole refrigerator?
Why do yall think weight on the steering wheel prevents an attentive driver from grabbing the wheel to prevent any type of accident?
Why do yall think weight on the steering wheel means instant crash because you can never react fast enough by grabbing the wheel?
I'm still waiting on crash statistics from people using a weight hack vs people texting and driving. Nobody wants to provide that for some reason..... Thousands and thousands of people use AP everyday....
I mean, if you not paying attention, it doesn't matter if there is weight on the wheel or not.
When driving, NOBODY spends 100% of their time looking straight ahead. If you claim you do, then you never look in your rearview mirror, never turn and look for cars, never look at screen to change the radio etc, never turn and talk to a passenger, etc. An accident that requires immediate response can happen at any time you take your eyes off the road, even for a split second.Using a hack is NOT required for an accident believe it or not, smh. That's especially true since folks think that even though the hands are about 6 inches from the steering wheel it takes a driver 2-3 minutes to grab the wheel to react to a situation in the road. But not seeing a refrigerator,and not grabbing the wheel to take some kind of evasive action, is just absurd. Apparently,from what I'm reading, when FSD gets here, it will find a way to prevent all crashes.... Amazing.
Even if you don't have a weight hack, lots of people use AP, don't have their hands on the wheel, and just reach up every now and then and grab the steering wheel/turn volume. So according to you, people would still hit a big ole refrigerator when they not using a weight hack. There's not much different between using a weight hack and not using one if you don't have hands on steering wheel while using AP(except of course without weight hack car will make noise, say grab wheel, but if you having a seizure you can't and I guess will stop the car to 0 mph while other cars are whizzing by you on the autobahn.....)
I assume most people who think using a hack doesn't give you enough response time should feel the same about cruise control. In any car by any manufacturer that has cruise control, the car goes by itself...meaning you don't have your foot on the pedal,but car keeps moving forward. But I guess for reason, yall believe you can move your foot fast enough to hit the brakes to stop from hitting a refrigerator or a stopped car or firetruck(because you know, one guy says Teslas AP is not designed to avoid plowing into the back of cars while using it), but in the same token you can't move your hands to the steering wheel fast enough to avoid a refrigerator in the road..... The ole foot is faster than the hands rule I guess? my goodness
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No matter how you put it, you cannot generalize this. You can keep telling yourself that adding a weight and not keeping the hands on the wheel is the same level of safe as if the hands are on the wheel, if the driver is paying attention in both cases. This is just wrong not matter how you try to explain it.
Yes, there are scenarios where it's less dangerous, for example on a long stretch of empty highway, during daylight... as opposed to an area with heavy traffic and/or poor visibility where there are higher chances of unexpected things jumping in your way.
It all boils down to what type of drivers are those who at times don't keep their hands on the wheel. I just hope that those who delude themselves that it's the same level of safe, won't kill too many of the responsible ones.
PS: And I see you still refuse to understand how Tesla AP (and many other RADAR based cruise control systems) works, no matter how many keep telling you. AP will, on occasions, ignore stationary objects in it's path. Those are not fails, it just is how it currently works.
sduck
Mr. Duck
I know full well what you're trying to talk about. And I see your efforts to dominate this thread. But you should really just...STOP. Your complete lack of ability to compose an intelligent response here or even a correctly composed sentence is only making you and your efforts look stupid.
I never said they were the same. Common sense says NOT having your hands on the steering wheel is not the same as HAVING your hands on the steering wheel. Like where you get this stuff from? And again, why do y'all like to debate common knowledge?
What I am saying though is people who use the hack are close(keyword CLOSE,meaning not exactly) to the same people who don't use the hack but use AP but do NOT keep their hands on the steering wheel, and only grab it or turn the volume when the nag appears. You can't react any faster with the hack on or off if in both situations if your hands are not on the wheels. People who don't use the hack face the same dangers of people who do use the hack!(no hands on wheel)
Thousands of people use AP with no hands and just use hands when the nag appears. Please don't say 99% of tesla drivers use AP with their hands on the wheel, that would be foolish and not much need for a nag system since just about everybody hands are on the wheel...
I know how Radar cruise works. I never said they are supposed to work 100% and never crash. So you are debating something I didn't say. I will say that Tesla does NOT intend for AP use to crash into the back of cars, that's just silly. If you say the computer is designed to plow into people, then I'll just disagree and also add that's foolish.
Just because you don't like my response, my views and opinions on this issue, doesn't mean they aren't intelligent. I don't call you a tard for your views I don't agree with do I?. So don't insult my intelligence. I've made very good points in plain english but people skip over them. All I would have to do is say I agree with you and then all of a sudden I make sense huh? smh. You're saying that simple because of difference of views.
But people are too pressed to be right, Like trying to fault Telsa for not saving drivers on AP when they have seizures. But if you're in any car that does have have(millions of cars out here) as soon as you have a seizure you're swerving immediately off the road most likely into some object causing again most likley sever harm to ones self. But people had to come up with some wild scenario just to try to prove me wrong, ridiculous
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sduck
Mr. Duck
I never said YOU aren't intelligent, I'm just trying to make the point that you aren't presenting yourself or your points well. That's quite all right, many people have problems interfacing with the keyboards or whatever we use to post here and elsewhere. I'm not so great at it myself.
And if you go back to my first post in this thread, and actually look at what i was posting, you'll see that I was ONLY posting about MY OWN solution to the autopilot nag, based on 2 years in my tesla and 50 some years of driving total. I was NOT addressing you or your posts - I don't know why you felt the need to get involved.
I'm presenting them in plain english and not using big words so everybody with 8th grade learning can understand what I write. Don't say you're not saying I'm unintelligent but use that word and also the word stupid in your response. Again, I am using plain english here, not hard at all to understand what I type. Your sole issue is you don't agree with me,that's your basis for insulting my intelligence. That does not mean I'm stupid. Nor does it mean I'm stupid because you can't comprehend general statements written in plain English.
You called your hand placement a "hack". I replied because that's not hack. What you are doing is simply doing what Tesla tells everybody to do on the screen when they turn AP on. But I guess you want to take credit of a "solution" or "hack" that Tesla shows on the screen every time for AP???
Fernand
Active Member
@sduck your admitted use of hacks is irresponsible, could cause apocalyptic devastation/deforestation, untold suffering to others, flying appliances, PLUS it exposes you and your loved ones to airbags failing to deploy, or taking your head off. BAD BAD BAD!
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PACEMD
Active Member
Committing all known formal and informal logical fallacies with incoherent expression is not the same as being a "tard". The reflection is more about intellectual honesty and understanding based on hard work and effort.
You're saying AP is designed to suck? So basically, AP will never be worth using? Any idea how I can get $3K that they built into my price for this sucky tech?
Now that's a completely silly question and twist of what I was saying. It was explained many many times around here, sometimes I feel like we're wasting time here explaining how these things work to people who refuse to understand or lack some sort of comprehension skills.
Sadly this leads to people overestimating what AP can do and it's easy for things to spiral intro deadly accidents.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
No, he's saying an inability to avoid some stationary objects is a known limitation of all radar based systems currently on the market.
This isn't exclusive to AP at all.
EVERYONE who uses these kinds of systems for their equivalent of TACC has the same problem. And has the same types of warnings in their user manuals.
Most of them think they'll fix it with LIDAR...that most don't even have on their cars because it's way too expensive, but you know, they'll get there... eventually.
Tesla thinks they'll fix it with vision...which they do at least already have on their cars... eventually.
Remains to be seen who, if either, is correct.
In the meantime it'd be great if folks would bother to read the manual and actually understand the known limits of these systems instead of assuming they run on magic.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
I guess it's a question of definition, but I don't think it's that close. (I also don't think it's a great idea to take your hands off the steering wheel when using AP, ever, but that's a separate distinction I won't discuss further here.)
Someone with a nag defeat can be on their phone or otherwise distracted, indefinitely, until the car crashes into something or otherwise disables AP for other reasons (whereupon the weight on the wheel may cause the car to veer off the road at speed without user correction - this is documented - you should see what happened to @bwilson4web - he thought AP was on, it wasn't, the weight on the wheel caused him to veer into a curb, causing wheel and tire destruction, and wheel bearing destruction (the video has been removed AFAIK); out of sheer luck, a very minor incident).
Thread (shows the defeat device): Video of accident shows incapacitated driver using AP nag defeat device - Post with timestamp video description
Someone without a nag defeat, but with poor attention/hands not on wheel, can only be distracted by their phone or other activity for limited periods of time, before being reminded by the car to pay attention. And if the violations are severe/numerous enough, autopilot will be disabled (autopilot jail) for the remainder of the drive, and the car will be brought slowly to a stop and indicate to other drivers that the vehicle is disabled.
"If you repeatedly ignore Autosteer's prompts for having your hands on the steering wheel, Autosteer disables for the rest of the drive and displays the following message. If you don't resume manual steering, Autosteer sounds a continuous chime, turns on the warning flashers, and slows the vehicle to a complete stop."
Neither situation is good at all, but to me they do not seem that close (keyword CLOSE, meaning not exactly) to the same.
These are the sort of "worst case scenarios" for the two classes of people.
I understand that a "middle ground" lightweight nag "defeat" device might still require hands on wheel, meaning it is not a true "defeat," and if that is the case, it is a bit more of a complicated argument. But even in that case the behavior when AP disables may be quite undesirable, and has certainly not been properly validated and tested for safety.
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Turning the scroll wheels is a nag defeat if you consider the nag is to make sure your hands are on the wheel at all times. So if Tesla is ok with you turning the scroll wheel with your index finger every 30 seconds and otherwise not having your hands on the wheel, then I don't see much difference with a weight stuck the steering wheel.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
You don't see the difference between something that requires repeated, intentional, short-interval-between, physical interaction with the steering wheel.... and something that lets you read your phone or even sleep (as some have been caught doing) without putting hands near wheel at all for long lengths of time?
Yikes.
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