Committing all known formal and informal logical fallacies with incoherent expression is not the same as being a "tard". The reflection is more about intellectual honesty and understanding based on hard work and effort.
Naw, you're just a tard
You're saying AP is designed to suck? So basically, AP will never be worth using? Any idea how I can get $3K that they built into my price for this sucky tech?
You want be able to win here. They are very anal with the definition of fail. For example, if you're on the highway and a car is stopped (not partially off to the side, not partially in your lane but squarely in your lane in between the hash marks) and the Tesla plows into the back of the car on AP, they will choose to call the Teslas computers a SUCCESS, rather than a failure. Because Tesla computer are made to crash. Its Silly, but this is what they argue
Now that's a completely silly question and twist of what I was saying. It was explained many many times around here, sometimes I feel like we're wasting time here explaining how these things work to people who refuse to understand or lack some sort of comprehension skills.
Sadly this leads to people overestimating what AP can do and it's easy for things to spiral intro deadly accidents.
People know how it works, you guys are wasting your time explaining the same thing numerous times about issues we already know.
I guess it's a question of definition, but I don't think it's that close.
Someone
with a nag defeat can be on their phone or otherwise distracted, indefinitely, until the car crashes into something or otherwise disables AP for other reasons (whereupon the weight on the wheel may cause the car to veer off the road at speed without user correction - this is documented - you should see what happened to
@bwilson4web - he thought AP was on, it wasn't, the weight on the wheel caused him to veer into a curb, causing wheel and tire destruction, and wheel bearing destruction (the video has been removed AFAIK); out of sheer luck, a very minor incident).
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The facts are people with or without the hack take their hands off the wheel. Tesla knows this,that's why they have the nag in the first place.
Someone not using a hack can be on the phone while using AP and crash as well, of course you didn't add that. It all goes back to what I've always said: You need to pay attention. If you're not paying attention you can crash without using AP and you can crash in any vehicle that is NOT made by Tesla if you're not paying attention. So I stand by what I said, using a hack is very close to the same people that do not use a hack,but instead just grab the wheel/volume control when the nag comes up. People are texting on their phone and only look back up to turn the volume/grab the wheel for a hot second, then they are right back to texting. People do this EVERYDAY and are NOT using a hack!!
I already stated that of course the car could keep going with the hack on (common sense),although people had to find an obscure situation that doesn't happen to people every day where you have a seizure,and the Tesla computer fails on you at the same time. But of course, if you have a seizure in any car you will most likely crash. That doesn't matter though because the whole goal here in this thread is to find fault with Tesla although having seizures is in no way related solely to tesla vehicles.
"Someone without a nag defeat, but with poor attention/hands not on wheel, can only be distracted by their phone or other activity for limited periods of time, before being reminded by the car to pay attention."
They can be distracted indefinitely really. It only takes 1 second to hit the volume button then turn around and do whatever you were doing in the back seat. Stop making excuses, you can easily distracted for long periods of time. It only stops breifly to attend to the nag, then its back to being distracted!! Like people talk on the phone for an hour,they don't hang up the phone just to stop the nag!!! Talking on the phone (in your hand) is distracting!!!
So You pretty much here agree that using a hack or not using a hack but not having hands on the wheel are pretty much the same thing (save for the seizure possibility,smh). What you wrote here alone can make somebody crash before the AP cuts off.
Turning the scroll wheels is a nag defeat if you consider the nag is to make sure your hands are on the wheel at all times. So if Tesla is ok with you turning the scroll wheel with your index finger every 30 seconds and otherwise not having your hands on the wheel, then I don't see much difference with a weight stuck the steering wheel.
There isn't much difference. No its not the EXACT SAME (have to add that disclaimer because people will attack any word I don't use 100% appropriately smh, so anal on here). Bottom line is, hack or no hack, if your hands are not on the steering wheel, your hands are at the same position where they would be if you are using the hack. And I assure you thousands of thousands of people are driving without a hack but don't have hands on the wheel. They just touch it when the nag appears. Its no safer than using a hack in my opinion, because as I have stressed: in either case your hands are not always on the steering wheel. But of course people will still debate that because they just HAVE to be right
