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Any Model S depositors also reserve a Leaf?

Discussion in 'Model S' started by efusco, Apr 23, 2010.

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  1. efusco

    efusco Moderator - Model S & X forums

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    i appreciate everyone who's responded to this thread...it's been interesting. While I didn't think that the Model S reservation holders were likely, in general, to be interested in the Leaf I thought it would be b/c of the shorter range and smaller size more than anything. But it appears that for many the luxury component is more critical than the EV component...and that does surprise me. For me, I want the best available EV or PHEV that will meet my needs at the earliest date possible. While I'm excited about having a Model S and my first luxury vehicle, I'd choose a comparable EV at $40k even if not a luxury car to save the money and invest it.
     
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    To me, the key word is "comparable". As my Dad used to say, "You get what you pay for ... If you're careful".
    I've owned a smaller, cheaper EV. Was it worth it? Sure. Do I want better? You betcha!! I used to buy cheap shoes, thinking they were as good as more expensive ones. You know what? They're not. If you want a cheap EV that gets 100 miles per charge, or more likely, less, buy the Leaf. But that's why people buy BMWs and Mercedes. They are actually better than Fords or Chryslers.
    For some reason, hearing Elon say "No compromises" means he plans on building a better car. I will be surprised if the Leaf is anywhere near "comparable".
    Rob
     
  3. AnOutsider

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    Doesn't surprise me at all. While Tesla Motors seems to cater a lot to the "Green" crowd, I think many are attracted to the fact that TM aims to produce not only green cars, but attractive, fully-featured green cars.

    From what it sounds like based on your post, why bother with a Model S? You'd be just fine with a Leaf, or if fuel savings is of importance, a hybrid on the market now -- which you have in the Prius.
     
  4. efusco

    efusco Moderator - Model S & X forums

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    I want to get as far from fossil fuels as possible. The range of the leaf is the main factor for me in putting it lower on my list...it would have to be a 3rd vehicle for where I live and routinely drive. Whereas a 230 mile range Tesla will take me to almost everywhere I routinely drive. The only exceptions being my few times annual trips to St.Louis or Kansas City or Fayetteville, AR....I'd have to recharge even the 230 mile range version on those trips, but only once and only partially. I'd have to charge the leaf 3 times on those.

    Indeed, I would opt for a PHEV that suited my needs....a 20 mile range Prius, or a 40 mile range Volt (if it would seat 5). But none of those are on the horizon.

    Don't get me wrong, I can afford and will love the luxury of the Model S, there are a multitude of things I like about it including the roominess for my growing family. But if I can find a more versatile, cheaper vehicle that will be an EV for my routine daily needs without needing a 3rd vehicle for longer trips I'll give it serious consideration.

    The Model S is still my high #1 choice and I am NOT giving up my spot in line!
     
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    haha wouldn't expect ya to! I think everyone chooses a certain car for their own reasons, but at the end of the day, I'd happily own a Model S just to push this tech forward
     
  6. johnr

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    I have to admit I traded my model S deposit for a Leaf deposit. I'm still in love with the model S, but realistically at this time I cannot afford it. Anyway I'm happy that I can afford a Leaf electric vehicle and coming from a name like Nissan I know it would be a good vehicle.

    I contacted Tesla last week to cancel my reservation. They were very understanding and professional, they said they would welcome me as a Tesla customer when the time is right for me and they were glad I'm still choosing an EV although it's not theirs, then they cut me a refund check and sent it by FedEx Express. Later a Tesla rep called me to make sure I received it.

    Anyway the only reason I'm mentioning all this is to show what sort of company Tesla Motors is, even when they're losing a customer (temporarily, of course :wink:).
     
  7. DaveD

    DaveD EVs Kick Gas!

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    I think that Tesla is smart enough to realize that the more EVs are sold and seen around, the more it validates their products. Now is not the time to be greedy (and shortsighted) about having every EV sale be a Tesla.
     
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    So Tesla and Coda will own the "Electric specialist" market.
     
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    Electric specialist? What does Coda specialize in? If anything I kind of see them in the same light as the leaf. A step in the right direction, but pretty bland and uninspired (though the internal goodies on the Coda looked good last I saw)
     
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    They don't make anything but lectric's.
     
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    ah I gotcha
     
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    I have reserved both and will buy both. Leaf has 2 years of lead on S, so why not?
    I'm done waiting for an EV. I started my expectation with Aptera back in 2007. Now with Leaf the waiting is finally over.
    I'll build a PV system after I get the Leaf, and can then pretty much live a guilt-free life from then on.
     
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    No to a Leaf or Volt reservation here.

    My family has been "doing its part" with "Green" vehicles for 5 years now with Lexus Hybrids (RX400h / GS450h / RX450h).

    However, being Green is not enough for me...the car must be a capable performer & have a pleasing look (no 3 wheel bubble cars :eek:)...the Lexus hybrids fit both requirements from 2005 to present, but in the near future, the S car fits my requirements in a more complete way.
     
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    I am from Philadelphia and did reserve a Leaf, but after researching the range and realizing it may only do 70 miles per charge, I knew I could not get all the way home from work. It all works out well because I can't wait for my Model S............
     
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    First post here...

    The reasonable part of me, did put down a deposit (99$ did not have to think too long), in early october, whne Nissan Canada opened up registrations for 2012.
    I did a test drive in sept. and did enjoy the experience. Nice little car. it would really be only a communter car for 38K $can.
    I intend to do the same for the Ford Focus Electric, as I find it actually looks better than the Leaf. It is also supposed to have a liquid cooled battery system.

    The less reasonable part of me has a reservation for over a year now for a Model S... Let's see which part wins the internal argument, next year when all the variables such as real cost are know....
     
  16. Andrew Wolfe

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    I put down a Leaf deposit after the Model S deposit. I've been driving the Leaf since January. It is an excellent small car. I'm sure I'll like my $100,000 Model S Signature (Sport?) better - but for $22K after federal and state incentives, the Leaf made far more economic sense. Also - it showed up 18 months earlier.
     
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    #37 green01, Dec 6, 2011
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    I bought a Leaf last May and expect to receive my Model S in about a year. I hope to put a deposit on the Model X in the near future, and will probably trade in my Leaf when the Model X is delivered. The Leaf's range is not really adequate for me, but I felt Nissan needed to be rewarded for their sincere and risky effort to mass produce EVs.
     
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    VolkerP EU Model S P-37

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    It appears that Tesla will provide the sub-$30k car already in 2012 - by delivering Model S.
    Lots of Leafs will appear on the used car market!
     
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    Nope, did not put down a deposit on the leaf. The range is not acceptable for my daily drive. For me it's the Model S or bust. Plan B was to get the Aptera hybrid (but they are only taking reservations in california
     
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    They are no longer in business :)
     

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