Any news about costing by kWh instead of by time to supercharge?

[SylvainG]

Tesla Petition Asks Canadian Government for kWh Billing as EV Charging Standard - TeslaNorth.com

A new petition in Canada is asking the federal government to adopt kWh billing for electric vehicle charging. - Tesla has launched a new petition through its Engage Tesla platform, to ask its community to lobby the Canadian government to adopt dollars per kilowatt-hour ($/kWh) as the electric...

teslanorth.com

Went for my first long trip and at one station, it charged at 63 kWh so barely Tier 2 while charged for full Tier 2 time :-<

 

[Celus]

I recall seeing Elon Musk tweeting they are working on it, haven't heard anything since.

 

[LoudMusic]

I recall seeing Elon Musk tweeting they are working on it, haven't heard anything since.

This is effectively true of everything he says about Tesla on Twitter.

 

[MLXXXp]

I couldn't find anything more recent when I wrote this a few days ago:

Retrofit CCS compatibility onto earlier (NA) Model 3 - DIY approach

yes, I understand that. I was simply commenting on how its wrong to charge based on time rather than per unit of energy. Doesn't matter how "close" it is, its still not right Gov keeps pushing for electric cars, but they can't figure out simple stuff like the proper way to charge for energy...

teslamotorsclub.com

 

[SylvainG]

I couldn't find anything more recent when I wrote this a few days ago:

Retrofit CCS compatibility onto earlier (NA) Model 3 - DIY approach

yes, I understand that. I was simply commenting on how its wrong to charge based on time rather than per unit of energy. Doesn't matter how "close" it is, its still not right Gov keeps pushing for electric cars, but they can't figure out simple stuff like the proper way to charge for energy...

teslamotorsclub.com

And yet, my house is charged by the kWh. Shouldn't be hard to figure out how to do it for cars too. Unless someone doesn't want you to, hmm....

 

[LoudMusic]

And yet, my house is charged by the kWh. Shouldn't be hard to figure out how to do it for cars too. Unless someone doesn't want you to, hmm....

Down here in the mid country it varies by state. Some require EV stations to sell by time and others allow selling by kWh. It depends on their regulations for operating as an electricity utility provider. I'm quite certain there are some really good reasons to not allow any joe schmoe to operate as a utility. In particular it could allow property owners to dramatically jack up the cost of electricity for their renters, and likely be an unreliable power source (TEXAS!). But It seems like there could be provisions for short term use scenarios such as sub-hour EV charging. Or I guess for L2 it would need to be sub-24-hour sessions.

 

[GtiMart]

That's our government protecting us again In the meantime, precondition your battery before arrival so it charges faster than that.

 

[Vawlkus]

And yet, my house is charged by the kWh. Shouldn't be hard to figure out how to do it for cars too. Unless someone doesn't want you to, hmm....

They’re called Standards Canada, and they decreed that only power utilities can bill per unit of power; everyone else must use units of time.

 

[Vawlkus]

I recall seeing Elon Musk tweeting they are working on it, haven't heard anything since.

Musk isn’t the only one. There’s several other groups (mostly EV) lobbying for this to change as well. Since it’s government, it takes generations to get anything done.

 

[SylvainG]

They’re called Standards Canada, and they decreed that only power utilities can bill per unit of power; everyone else must use units of time.

Ok, that makes sense

Musk isn’t the only one. There’s several other groups (mostly EV) lobbying for this to change as well. Since it’s government, it takes generations to get anything done.

Hopefully enough pressure will be put for things to happen sooner than later...

 

[Nexitus]

Well, Measurements Canada has stated they are looking to transition to kWh billing for EVs.

Electric vehicle charging stations

An approved and certified measurement system is integral to accurate and reliablemeasurement of electricity. The Electricity and Gas Inspection Act (EGIA) and regulations requirethat we approve and recertify at prescribed intervals measuring devices used to determine a feefor electricity...

www.ic.gc.ca

 

[Vawlkus]

Well, Measurements Canada has stated they are looking to transition to kWh billing for EVs.

Electric vehicle charging stations

An approved and certified measurement system is integral to accurate and reliablemeasurement of electricity. The Electricity and Gas Inspection Act (EGIA) and regulations requirethat we approve and recertify at prescribed intervals measuring devices used to determine a feefor electricity...

www.ic.gc.ca

They’ve SAID it. Our people still aren’t seeing too much actual movement yet. Hopefully sooner than later, but as yet there’s nothing to report.

 

[Nexitus]

Well like most organizations, it just takes time...and we're rarely privy to the plan and what is happening and not happening behind the scenes...

It's always the case where we want things now or faster.... that rarely happens.

 

[djanka381]

I can't believe if this is true...
Canada Measurements has declined Tesla's proposal to change charge per kwh consumed instead of per minute charging.

See the link and pist your comment/opinion Charging per kwh declined - unbelievable

 

[doubeld]

They declined Tesla getting temporary access before the full review is finished... which will most likely allow this, just not yet. It's fair. But sadly we'll just have to wait the slow pace of government to get this approved eventually.

And I hope NO ONE thinks that this will reduce costs for charging. Because it won't. The recent price changes have nothing to do with per-minute billing, it's all about Tesla increasing their rates for energy overall... that's why they're charging more for the higher-power ratings.

 

[Kenypowa]

They declined Tesla getting temporary access before the full review is finished... which will most likely allow this, just not yet. It's fair. But sadly we'll just have to wait the slow pace of government to get this approved eventually.

And I hope NO ONE thinks that this will reduce costs for charging. Because it won't. The recent price changes have nothing to do with per-minute billing, it's all about Tesla increasing their rates for energy overall... that's why they're charging more for the higher-power ratings.

And when Tesla opens up SC and slow charging cars such as Toyota BZ4X and Bolt are taking forever to be charged, we will all wish Tesla bring back time-based billing. There is no disincentive for these slow cars to move if billing is not time-based.

 

[doubeld]

I'd like to see another jurisdiction where that's actually an issue.
You're in Calgary too... I see probably 10-20 Teslas before I see any other EV. This won't be a problem for a long time, if ever. There are more DCFC stations than Tesla SC stations, so there's no incentive for a Bolt, etc. to charge at a Tesla SC.

I guarantee you that EV charge station operators will charge more per-unit of energy the higher power rates that they provide, so it will further incentivize those slower-charging vehicles to charge elsewhere. Tesla already has the most expensive DC charging rates. Not sure if you're on TOCA's FB page, but this image was shared a few times, which shows exactly what is happening and what will likely continue to happen.
Looks like Tesla will be charging in the $0.40 - $0.50/kWh rate eventually.

 

[Lon12]

Mitsubishi PHEV Chademo can only take 16 kW max charge rate. You guys have nothing to complain about.

 

[Jaboo]

Measurement Canada to allow kWh billing at EV chargers before the end of 2022

For two years Tesla and electric vehicle (EV) associations across Canada have been lobbying the federal government for fairer EV charging standards. This is because EV charging network providers in Canada are only allowed to […]

driveteslacanada.ca

just saw people tweeting about this. Any chance the cost actually comes down though? I think right now supercharging can be like 2x-5x more than other DC fast charger?

 

[doubeld]

Costs will not likely go down.
This will possibly have the negative side effect of letting people stick around and charge to 100% more, since they're no longer paying per minute - it will be more beneficial for slower charging unfortunately.