Moved to this thread...
when it gives the beeps without blue for sure, and with very short time from pulling on the wheel. Something on the system craps out and the wheel-on-hand detection goes haywire.
This is normal when the system freaks out and does not result in strikes.
the current AP jail feature?
Problem with this is it is so easy to exit if not on the freeway. It is like get out of jail free.
There are plenty of people posting about unprovoked strikes. Seek and ye shall find.
Oh I know people are getting strikes, just not sure how many of them are unprovoked. Clearly some are, for whatever reason; maybe one day I'll get one and then I'll know. Getting four passes is a lot of opportunities to work out what the system wants to see, in any case.
but it feels like FSD has improved enough that we can move to a less punitive way to offer that deterrence, like AP jail as others have mentioned.
I think it is plenty dangerous enough still, to make having hands on the wheel and eyes on the road a requirement and include strong incentives to make sure that drivers do that.
Nothing should be punitive. It just needs to remove the convenience feature (where some driving tasks are automated), where attention is going to be essential. It definitely is essential that all safety features still be present, no matter the strike count, so that drivers can benefit from them. This should be possible to do and you can see Tesla continuing to develop these features for all (basically you get what people who don't have FSD get - which is all the safety features to prevent accidents).
I'd also be fine to have a separate system for City Streets and NoA (basically have NoA & Autosteer still available if City Streets is struck out, and Autosteer on freeways would be controlled by the autopilot jail rules, as it is now).
It'll be interesting to see what they do.
Really? Forever ban for something you paid 10k for? I think removing one strike every 3-4 months is reasonable.
No, not suggesting a forever ban under any circumstances. People should get FSD once it's available! I'm just saying that during the testing phase this is reasonable. After it's available, I think a rolling strike removal makes a lot of sense, as long as it is done at a rate that does not allow consistent abuse (abuse should render the system unusable). I think time-based is better than mileage-based (don't want to encourage users to put in a lot of unnecessary (unsafe!) miles just to get the convenience feature back).
Obviously the the solution is to stop the tug nag and just use the camera.
This is clearly not sufficient; here's an example from me, from yesterday, where not having hands on the wheel would have made properly & legally completing the maneuver difficult (it was difficult enough to make the turn with hands on the wheel!). Remember: Wrong thing, worst time.
Hands (at least one, preferably both) must be on the wheel, eyes must be on the road. Always.
The impressive part was the car handling roundabouts at all that conflict with the map data. It was vision overriding map. And I noted that it was a screwup in my original post. It was a new roundabout with clear lane markings. Vision is very good when roads are "clean" with good lane...
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