Any X-Sig reservation holders who don't want Performance?

[vandacca]

Grow up ITSELE. The performance version will likely have less range than the non-performance version. That is the issue at hand here. People *DO* want a Maxed-out car - they just want the range to be Maxed out.

 

[ITSELE]

Grow up ITSELE. The performance version will likely have less range than the non-performance version. That is the issue at hand here. People *DO* want a Maxed-out car - they just want the range to be Maxed out.

You forgot sig x holders also want fold down seats, ability to keep sig red color and ultra white interior, to see what the front looks like, no leather interior, lower weight of gen 2 motor with better cooling (really?), better range when the car is 10 years old, to know all the new secret features, the total weight (P & non P) and cargo space, don't want to loose sales tax right offs and they don't want to loose their place in line.

 

[ModelXsig1100]

HELLO?? Did all ya'll not realize that a Signature reservation was a maxed out car when you plunked down $40,000? I'm getting sick to my stomach listening to the whining about "I don't want a P, waaaaaah, mommy!" It was pretty clear to me that would happen so I went the regular res route (in the 180's, thank you). You get bragging rights as the first owners of a brand new trend setting car and you can get it in Signature Red. You made an emotional reservation and you have had TOO much time to think about it. There you go. Others thought this, I said it. I actually feel sorry for the Tesla sales professionals having to answer your calls so call Tesla, apologize and switch to a regular res. Microphone Drop. Boom.

I think the discussion in the thread has been a little more nuanced than you suggest, but opinions may vary. It seems like this topic wouldn't have a lot of relevance for you as a regular reservation holder in the 180s, but notwithstanding that, you're here and it's made you feel ill, so as the OP, I feel responsible and I apologize. I hope the thread doesn't cause you any more difficulty.

 

[AnOutsider]

HELLO?? Did all ya'll not realize that a Signature reservation was a maxed out car when you plunked down $40,000? I'm getting sick to my stomach listening to the whining about "I don't want a P, waaaaaah, mommy!" It was pretty clear to me that would happen so I went the regular res route (in the 180's, thank you). You get bragging rights as the first owners of a brand new trend setting car and you can get it in Signature Red. You made an emotional reservation and you have had TOO much time to think about it. There you go. Others thought this, I said it. I actually feel sorry for the Tesla sales professionals having to answer your calls so call Tesla, apologize and switch to a regular res. Microphone Drop. Boom.

Keep in mind that for the Model S, performance was an option not a requirement. It's not at all unreasonable for reservation holders to think they would have a similar choice. Also, in 2012 (when many sigs who are now configuring actually reserved), the Performance Model S got the same range as a non-performance Model S (unless you stomped it at the light of course), so there was also reason to consider that even if you were forced to get performance, you'd be sacrificing range.

Fully loaded here isn't as cut and dry as you make it seem. Even Tesla has a "Max performance" and "max range" button when configuring a Model S. I'd bet they did this as they found that folks may want the top of the line with different end goals in mind.

 

[bonnie]

HELLO?? Did all ya'll not realize that a Signature reservation was a maxed out car when you plunked down $40,000? I'm getting sick to my stomach listening to the whining about "I don't want a P, waaaaaah, mommy!" It was pretty clear to me that would happen so I went the regular res route (in the 180's, thank you). You get bragging rights as the first owners of a brand new trend setting car and you can get it in Signature Red. You made an emotional reservation and you have had TOO much time to think about it. There you go. Others thought this, I said it. I actually feel sorry for the Tesla sales professionals having to answer your calls so call Tesla, apologize and switch to a regular res. Microphone Drop. Boom.

You forgot sig x holders also want fold down seats, ability to keep sig red color and ultra white interior, to see what the front looks like, no leather interior, lower weight of gen 2 motor with better cooling (really?), better range when the car is 10 years old, to know all the new secret features, the total weight (P & non P) and cargo space, don't want to loose sales tax right offs and they don't want to loose their place in line.

ITSELE - wow, settle. Sig reservation holders have had exactly two communications since they plunked down their money 4+ years ago. So expectations have not been managed, but rather have formed the little bit of knowledge that people have. We were told the production car was everything shown at launch & more. We were shown a fold-flat area. The rest (interior, exterior colors & performance/nonperformance) was not talked about -- leaving people to assume that it would roll out pretty much the same as the S.

I am one of Tesla's biggest fans, but the expectations on the X have not been managed well. All sorts of reasons for that, mostly some changing personnel - but not reservation holders' problem, quite frankly.

What people are saying is not unreasonable. The good news for you is that 1) you don't have to worry about it, because you're not impacted by it, and 2) you've got no dog in this hunt, so no need to read this thread.

Personally, I am disappointed by one feature in particular. And I'm actively working it with Tesla. As most here know, I'm not comfortable ranting publicly, just a different style. But that doesn't mean I don't respect folks here who also had expectations based on the very little bit of information that has been shared.

 

[ITSELE]

Keep in mind that for the Model S, performance was an option not a requirement. It's not at all unreasonable for reservation holders to think they would have a similar choice.

Fully loaded here isn't as cut and dry as you make it seem. Even Tesla has a "Max performance" and "max range" button when configuring a Model S. I'd bet they did this as they found that folks may want the top of the line with different end goals in mind.

I have to apologize. Further research confirms Model S Signature reservations holders DID get a choice on Performance or Regular S but they did end up paying more than a similarly configured non sig car. (called it Sig Tax of 3-5k) which is not an issue with Model X. I Personally, I would not pay 5k extra for simply getting my car early and special badges or colors and it wasn't clear the X was any different. Problem was the regular S sigs were delayed months and many non sig performance models were shipped before them. I think the marketing folks at Tesla should have made the Founders Cars the big deal with limited options and the Sigs getting red with white seats as an option and otherwise total configuration freedom. They should have made it crystal clear that Sig = Performance.

 

[vandacca]

You forgot sig x holders also want fold down seats, ability to keep sig red color and ultra white interior, to see what the front looks like, no leather interior, lower weight of gen 2 motor with better cooling (really?), better range when the car is 10 years old, to know all the new secret features, the total weight (P & non P) and cargo space, don't want to loose sales tax right offs and they don't want to loose their place in line.

The ones complaining appear to be mostly disappointed with performance (less range) and the lack of folding 2nd row (less cargo space). The latter has been promised from the time of the reveal up until a more recent Tesla Email about a year ago. I'm not a Signature holder (just regular) but I do empathize with them. They paid extra to get a top-class car, but now they appear to be limited in choices. They're getting someone else's idea of a top-class car.

Sure, there are people complaining about losing tax right-offs, but that has nothing to do with the Signature model, but rather the Model-X delays. No idea where you got the rest of your complaints.

 

[AnOutsider]

but they did end up paying more than a similarly configured non sig car. (called it Sig Tax of 3-5k) which is not an issue with Model X.

We actually don't even know that yet. We have no pricing on production cars and Tesla isn't talking (on that or many other things). They've dropped the ball on communication leaving us to fill in the blanks on what to expect for 130k+

 

[ITSELE]

Sure, there are people complaining about losing tax right-offs, but that has nothing to do with the Signature model, but rather the Model-X delays. No idea where you got the rest of your complaints.

All listed complaints were 100% directly from this thread but I've been watching Donald Trump a little too much and it rubbed off in my original post

For me it is clear what Tesla is going to great length to postpone reveal for as long as they can.
There are some systems in the Model X that will make the current Model S look old. So if they revealed Model X fully now nobody would buy the current version Model S. They want to avoid that at all cost.

Once the Model X is out, Tesla will need to quickly update the Model S or else they will not sell many of those and Model X ramp up is slow, so they wood not make 2015 production forecast.

Its a tricky situation, and Tesla as a small company is handling it as well as they can....

I understand your frustration due to Tesla's lack of communication but the above post explains it to a tee. I feel for the people ordering Model S's right now once they see all the (hopefully) new goodies released on Model X.

 

[engle]

I'm P83 so expect to be invited to config right after all of you Sig folks, unless there is a delay between Sig and the start of Prod config.

The only issue we have now is the front windshield that curves all of the way up over the driver and front passenger's heads to meet a crossbeam in front of the falcon wing doors. My wife is very concerned about the amount of sunlight, UVA, and UVB that will fall on the driver and passenger's heads, since she has sensitive skin. She wants to sit in the vehicle to see this windshield before we finalize our configuration after we receive our invitation.

One of the senior product specialists at a Bay Area store asked to remain nameless. They told me that I should call Tesla and insist (he used the word demand) to be given the opportunity to sit in the vehicle at the factory under NDA so my wife can see the windshield. He said it's only fair that she be able to do this before we are committed to pay so much money for a vehicle that we've never seen before.

Either that, or I'm hoping that all Sig's and early production configuration reservationists will be invited to the 9/29 factory event where Elon is going to hand over the keys to the founder's. Since that is only 9 days away, I'm afraid they will only invite the media ("we made our Q3 first deliveries deadline"), and the rest of the audience will be the folks that work for Tesla designing, engineering, building and testing the X.

I agree 100% with Bonnie's post and sympathize with all Sig holders who don't want performance. I'm getting X 90D because I want max range, since X EPA range is less than the S, and our family enjoys long road trips to go skiing and elsewhere. I plan to invest my $20K savings to buy more TSLA when there's another good entry point (flash crash, anyone?) :biggrin:

I think one reason Tesla is trying to compel all Sigs to get Performance is because they have a very high mark-up on that extra $20K, which is even higher for the $10K "Ludicrous Speed". If TSLA can delivery all 1,000 US Sigs this year with Performance, P alone represents $20M in gross sales, plus some percentage of "Ludicrous" upgrades times $10M. Since they had to revise their units shipped guidance downward from 55K this year to 50K-55K, selling max-optioned vehicles in Q4 will help them to mitigate this somewhat.

 

[scottf200]

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My wife is very concerned about the amount of sunlight, UVA, and UVB that will fall on the driver and passenger's heads, since she has sensitive skin. She wants to sit in the vehicle to see this windshield before we finalize our configuration after we receive our invitation.
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I can appreciate the concern for UVA/UVB, but I'm quite confused about how your wife *sitting* in the car is going to help that. See can tell by looking? (The tint does look dark in the pictures). Use her glasses to tell? i.e. "In [all modern] cars, the glass in car windshields blocks most UV light. That’s why most photochromic lenses do not provide sufficient darkening in the car."

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... but they did end up paying more than a similarly configured non sig car. (called it Sig Tax of 3-5k) which is not an issue with Model X. ...

We actually don't even know that yet. We have no pricing on production cars and Tesla isn't talking (on that or many other things). They've dropped the ball on communication leaving us to fill in the blanks on what to expect for 130k+

I don't see a "sig tax" here:
Image: http://i.imgur.com/krw2tPf.png

 

[Vitold]

I don't see how siting in a car will tell you if you're protected from UVA or UVB radiation since you cannot see it.
Just ask Tesla if they use any type of UVA/UVB coating and, if they do, what percentage of radiation is blocked.

 

[engle]

I don't see how siting in a car will tell you if you're protected from UVA or UVB radiation since you cannot see it.
Just ask Tesla if they use any type of UVA/UVB coating and, if they do, what percentage of radiation is blocked.

Good idea. I'll do that, thanks. But given Tesla's abysmal X reservation customer communication track record do you really think they tell us anything??

She's also concerned about the amount of visible sunlight. She would know that sitting in the vehicle parked outside in the sunlight behind the factory.

Finally, have any of you S owners had your glass panoramic roof heavily tinted? How did it turn out? I'm trying to sell my wife on just having that done after we get it to assuage her concern.

Thanks!

 

[EarlyAdopter]

I'm P83 so expect to be invited to config right after all of you Sig folks, unless there is a delay between Sig and the start of Prod config.

The only issue we have now is the front windshield that curves all of the way up over the driver and front passenger's heads to meet a crossbeam in front of the falcon wing doors. My wife is very concerned about the amount of sunlight, UVA, and UVB that will fall on the driver and passenger's heads, since she has sensitive skin. She wants to sit in the vehicle to see this windshield before we finalize our configuration after we receive our invitation.

No UV comes through windshields.

All automotive windshields are made of laminated safety glass, which is a layer of plastic sandwiched between two layers of glass. While glass on its own has poor UV rejection, that plastic layer has extremely good UV rejection - over 99.9%, or the equivalent of SPF 1000.

On the Model S, the front windshield, panoramic sunroof, and rear hatch glass are all laminated.

This won't be a concern on the Model X.

Note: for the side windows, which are just tempered glass on most cars, I'd recommend you get a good UV rejecting window film applied. Spectra Photosync and 3M Crystalline are two top ones.