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I notice Tesla just lowered the upgrade 60 to 75 price from $9000 to $7000 yesterday. While software upgrade prices obviously can go up as they have in the past, the current software upgrade prices are pretty steep. Ten grand for EAP plus FSD is a much more intimidating number than what people paid to add AP1.0 after delivery. I think Tesla's 60 to 75 price cut yesterday recognizes that software upgrades must be enticing. But I think they will find there is still a lot of resistance to paying $7000 for adding 30-40 miles of range, especially when the 60 supercharges to 100% with limited taper. I imagine anyone who paid $9000 last week is not happy but at least the $7000 is still $500 more than the delivery price. I would not be at all surpised if the $10,000 price for EAP and FSD will eventually drop to $8500 to $9000, which will still be above the $8000 delivery price but much more enticing.
We got ordered it even though we knew that it wouldn't be completely ready for another 3 or 4 years. But when it does become avail. and all the people that are placing their order or the people who didn't order it with their car will be paying extra and im pretty sure they know that. It is going to be just like what they did with AP 1.0
I only price out auto pilot and not full self driving on my upcoming October '17 buy (261 days until I order). I figure it still 2 years out for full auto if nothing else than regulations are slow to come and then imagine a state by state approval process... ick. Suddenly you hit a state border and FSD reports it needs to cut out.
I'd rather wait until I can turn my $3k into my $4k+ on my own than hope I couldn't have turned it into over $4k by the time I want to get full self driving.
I'd rather wait until I can turn my $3k into my $4k+ on my own than hope I couldn't have turned it into over $4k by the time I want to get full self driving.
wesley888
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When I ordered FSD, I wasn't thinking the future cost. I was simply thinking when they have small pieces of FSD working, they could send to those who paid for it to use before the full blown FSD is working (and allowed).
Just like the EAP package, even though majority of the EAP functions are not working, I would be happy just to have TACC.
FSD consists of lots and lots of small pieces to work first. I would be very happy to get tiny pieces working, for example, stopping at stop sign or red light. That could be enabled for the FSD customers, even though it is not "Full Self Driving". Just a small piece of the puzzle of FSD.
Just like the EAP package, even though majority of the EAP functions are not working, I would be happy just to have TACC.
FSD consists of lots and lots of small pieces to work first. I would be very happy to get tiny pieces working, for example, stopping at stop sign or red light. That could be enabled for the FSD customers, even though it is not "Full Self Driving". Just a small piece of the puzzle of FSD.
+1 to this. People that are complaining about buying it but not having it activated right away shouldn't have ordered it.
+1. This is also what I'm anticipating happening. However, cost was also part of my calculation. My "guess" is that FSD, without someone in the driver's seat to take control, will probably not happen until cars are required to talk to each other. That could be a long time. Hope I'm wrong.
Ravenous21
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I was one of the people who ordered back when the cost of AP was only $2500. They want another $2500 for EAP before the car is delivered in Feb but if I don't pay that I can only assume I'll have some version of limited AP capability when the car is delivered after the final EAP update takes place since I have HW2. Still waiting to hear some word back from my advisor or delivery specialist.
I wonder if anyone else out there is in the same situation?
I wonder if anyone else out there is in the same situation?
If you didn't select EAP or FSDC (Which Requires EAP) your car will be not have it. You will have to pay extra in order to get it when EAP updates do roll out.
GoGoGadget
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I'm in the same situation. I ordered my car with Autopilot, then a week later they announced HW2 for all cars. My Tesla sales person congratulated me and said I received a great deal. You better believe I'm expecting HW1 equivalent Autopilot as my order stated. (Im not expecting EAP)
That was exactly my mentality as well. Honestly I don't ever except this car to be fully drive-less self driving...just skeptical of that actually being a reality with the current technology but I do think many parts of it will become active over time and if the car could even do self driving with my sitting there, that would be fantastic. I look forward to the incremental updates, which is how I think they will be realized, and if I hadn't bought FSD up front, then I'd be waiting until the full version is ready for rollout.
So I was actually convincing people not to buy FSD, to put that 3k into TSLA Stock at $176 (which, now at $237) would've got you to $4k.
However, when I ordered my 2 more X90Ds late December, I decided to get FSD anyway. As I'll definitely get it in future, and realistically we don't know if they'll raise the price at some point.
Also, I feel like if the Hardware isn't enough (and needs some modification or additional HW), then I feel like those with the FSD will get that for no additional cost, whereas the 3k/4k might go up to 5k or beyond to cover the HW differences.
This comes to mind:
However, when I ordered my 2 more X90Ds late December, I decided to get FSD anyway. As I'll definitely get it in future, and realistically we don't know if they'll raise the price at some point.
Also, I feel like if the Hardware isn't enough (and needs some modification or additional HW), then I feel like those with the FSD will get that for no additional cost, whereas the 3k/4k might go up to 5k or beyond to cover the HW differences.
This comes to mind:
Ravenous21
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Exactly! I just want to know if I'll just be waiting for the EAP update to hit for HW2 and when it does what type of features will I be working with. I know we aren't entitled to something but if for whatever reason they can't find a way to lower the level of capability for the people with AP1 level software on HW2 then they should just honor the original payment for autopilot. I would imagine they've figured it out but the silence from them on the issue is a little disheartening.
GoGoGadget
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I'm glad I'm not the only one in this situation. It was described to me as there being three stages of self driving. AutoPilot, which we purchased and is equivalent to HW1 AP, then Enhanced AP which enables more cameras and goes on and off ramp. And then full level 5 self driving.
I'm expecting AP similar to HW1. If this doesn't happen I'm going to freak out - I shouldn't be forced into EAP just because Tesla changed my hardware after my order.
Unfortunately I have not received any further communication of how this is going to work. I think the Tesla employees are unsure themselves.
I think there will be multiple steps between enhanced AP being activated and level 5 self driving. I have a S90D on order which I confirmed on the 13th (final on the 20th of Jan.) I have decided to go with FSD as I don't want to think and rethink when it is appropriate to activate FSD level.
I purchased and received my 2014 Model S 85 2 weeks before v1 AP hardware was included standard. I have watched for 2 years now all the beta testers playing with this new technology. I am willing to pay the $3k now to become part of the beta group on FSD.
I paid the 5K but will wait on the fully automated feature which is more than a year out. Not floating Tesla a interest free loan.
Ravenous21
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I'm glad I'm not the only one either... but then I'm not sure how many people fall into our situation and what would be the point of them curtailing the new autopilot to AP1 standards instead of just leaving it as EAP. If it's a refund type situation I would much rather have had them just say "Here's your money back" instead of not saying anything at all and getting my hopes up. If I don't hear something by the end of the week then I'll reach out again with a phone call.
GoGoGadget
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I agree and let me know the result of your phone call. Fingers crossed over here.
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