Hey Johnny, I think it was your suggestion on an old thread that gave me the idea. Thank you.
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Anyone use this Romex 6/3 cable during install?
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Johnny Vector
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Can confirm. I've ordered from them a couple times, and been satisfied in all cases. It's nice to be able to buy just what I need.
Heh, I don't even remember that, but glad it helped!
In grad school, my lab came up with a rule that you weren't allowed to graduate until you'd heard all our adviser's stories three times. Apparently I have now reached the age my adviser was. Well, consarn it, it's a good piece of advice, and I'm just going to keep saying it!
Walking around Home Depot, I wouldn't be surprised to hear how thieves stole a homes 2x4s and plywood and left the copper!
Johnny Vector
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I tried that once but when I tried to melt down the 2x4s they just got all red and then all black and turned into ashes. Weird.Walking around Home Depot, I wouldn't be surprised to hear how thieves stole a homes 2x4s and plywood and left the copper!
Made some wicked good s'mores while I was at it, though.
I ended up doing the same thing after reading through this thread. Romex 6/3, 60 amp breaker, Tesla V3 charger now with the car limited to 44 amps. Not too much of a charge time difference (38mph vs 42mph) and I won't have to worry about possible fire hazards!
sleepydoc
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Agreed - the environment around the wire (open air vs in an insulated wall) can make s big difference in how hot the wire and insulation gets and all of these regulations have an Intentional fudge factor. You never want to have something set up to run at its limits because there are always other variables you can’t control or haven’t accounted for that may make things worse.
Just as an example, say the vinyl used on one batch of romex was a bit thinner, got abraded during installation or starts melting 10º lower than it’s supposed to. If you were already running close to the limit suddenly you’re over and you have a potential disaster.
The NEC’s purpose is to ensure safety and virtually everything in it is there because accidents have happened in the past or people with a lot more experience and knowledge than us decided it was the best way to do an installation.
Tesla recommends Hubbell or Bryant. There is also Cooper.
There is a really good thread in the Model 3 subforum.
In summary the Hubbell 9450a and Bryand 9450fr are great, Cooper 5754n is good, do not use the Leviton 279-S00.
Well, that is definitely exaggerating it. I've still been using my Leviton 14-50 outlet for over 7 years. I didn't know about this at the time or would have gotten one of the better outlets.
The Leviton ones are definitely made cheaper, but if installed well and properly, they can do a pretty decent job. The main thing is because of how badly/cheaply the lugs are made, it's much more likely to not get the wires in properly and tightened effectively, so there's more chance of a bad install. The Hubbel, Cooper, and Bryant have better lugs that hold the wires more effectively and I think all use hex wrench screws so they can be tightened better.
Also, I have been keeping my charging setup limited at 31A instead of using the full 40A that would be allowed, so that is less heat stress on the connections and less on my old charging cable.
mrau
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The 14-50 receptacle from Bryant is very similar to the Hubbell but cost less at about $40. If you do decide to get a Hubbell or the Bryant, you have to get the Hubbell cover since the hole size in the Leviton cover is a bit too small.
Zoro is one place to get these. Shipping is $5 (free if a $75 + order).
www.zoro.com
www.zoro.com
Zoro is one place to get these. Shipping is $5 (free if a $75 + order).
Bryant 9450FR $34.33 Receptacle, 50 A Amps, 125/250V AC, Flush Mount, Single Outlet, 14-50R, Black | Zoro.com
Order Bryant Receptacle, 50 A Amps, 125/250V AC, Flush Mount, Single Outlet, 14-50R, Black, 9450FR at Zoro.com. Great prices & free shipping on orders over $50 when you sign in or sign up for an account.
Hubbell Wiring Device-Kellems SS701 $8.78 2.48" Opening Wall Plates and Box Cover, Number of Gangs: 2 Stainless Steel, Brushed Finish, Silver | Zoro.com
Order Hubbell Wiring Device-Kellems 2.48" Opening Wall Plates and Box Cover, Number of Gangs: 2 Stainless Steel, Brushed Finish, Silver, SS701 at Zoro.com. Great prices & free shipping on orders over $50 when you sign in or sign up for an account.
So now I have a shopping list from Zoro
- Bryant 9450FR
- Hubbell Wall Plate
- 4S electrical box (anything atleast 2-1/8" D): Raco 231 $1.78 Electrical Box, Square, 30.3 cu. in., Standards: UL | Zoro.com
Question I wanted to clarify is that all of these can be used for surface mount right. Is there any different in the electrical box to be used for surface mount vs in wall mount.
- Bryant 9450FR
- Hubbell Wall Plate
- 4S electrical box (anything atleast 2-1/8" D): Raco 231 $1.78 Electrical Box, Square, 30.3 cu. in., Standards: UL | Zoro.com
Question I wanted to clarify is that all of these can be used for surface mount right. Is there any different in the electrical box to be used for surface mount vs in wall mount.
Johnny Vector
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I'm curious as to whether there's any difference at all between the Hubbell and the Bryant, now that they're the same company. It's entirely possible that that extra $40 is paying only for the Hubbell name. Which, that's a lot of money just for the molded brand name.
Now if it were "Hubble"... Man, that thing is still going after 31 years!
This looks pretty good, trying to find literature about how it stands up to ev loads. Based on reviews and comments its all about kitchen range.
That’s what most will likely use it for. All I know is I opened it up and it’s pretty solid inside…no monkey business and the attachments are pretty tight and clean. The clamping force on the plug to the EVSE also seem pretty sturdy. The electrician I hired to fish the cable up into the load center inspected it all and he seemed pretty good with it (heck, he asked why I didn’t just finish the whole job before I called him! LOL). I did the whole install from the outlet to the workbox right below the load center…just didn’t want to fish the cable up from there (I hate fishing cable!)
You can run Romex in conduit but even if it's in conduit it can't be in a wet location, which are usually the kinds of locations that people would want to put it in conduit. Garage or outside are considered wet for these purposes. And running Romex in conduit is more of a pain than individual wires, so people don't generally do it. But they might run Romex in a short length of conduit if needed.
If you want Romex outside or in wet location you need to use UF-B cable, which looks like Romex but has a (I think) PVC jacket that is waterproof.
Surface mounted that box myself this past week. 3/4 EMT feeding the box from a new sub-panel in the garage. Only thing on the sub-panel but this gives me the option to add a second charger in the future without having to run the 60 ft. back through the garage and into the basement.
ScoobyDoo82
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You can, no prob. Just put it in some conduit! I hate seeing bare Romex staples in the garage!
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