I am confused, Must be late, is it retrofit-able or is it not? Was today's announcement for AP+ or AP2.0?
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AP 2.0 Retrofit sounds possible - or Am I crazy
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I am confused, Must be late, is it retrofit-able or is it not? Was today's announcement for AP+ or AP2.0?
I think your probably getting bad info. Think about it. The camera, the sensors and the CPU would all have to be upgraded and I have a feeling the connectors from the old mobile eye based system and the new nvidia based one are different too. When the Dual motor came out and AP1 came out, there were Tesla employees telling people it "might" be retrofittable too. I think even "if" it were possible it would be unbelievably expensive but I still am going to stick with my feeling it will. It be offered.
I don't think the 4 camera system and long range sensors will work without the upgraded CPU either. I think the current system was/is pushing it's limits at this point.
Canuck
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But when you buy one today, you can activate "Full Self Driving Capability" which means all new vehicles have the 8 cameras and more processing power. So they must be using the processor for enhanced auto-pilot -- it makes no sense otherwise. They are also probably using all the hardware too - and just limiting features.
EV-lutioin
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If it is any solace, AP 2.0 cars will be also be "old" when AP 3.0 comes out.
Canuck
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The drone propellers fold out and fly you over the traffic home. Imagine the threads here by people who just bought before that comes out.
indy360
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There is always going to be better. AP2 can detect 10 cars on the road, AP3 maybe 20. AP2 can react, maybe AP3 can do some basic predicting based on car movement. Maybe AP4 can see intent based on what the driver is looking at in another car. Just because it's Level 5 doesn't mean it can't get smarter or better.
like the others said, you can just change to order to by paying $500 change fee to get a differently configured car.
Or I think you can always come with some excuse to push the delivery for a few months, then I think they will happily sell this car to someone else and build another car for you.
Besides the fact that Elon said no-retrofits, I highly doubt it would be that easy. He said that the cameras are integrated into the bodywork that nothing sticks out. So, as far as I can tell, it would require new front fenders and B pillars as part of the retrofit. And the Titan GPU is probably added in to the liquid cooling loop, so there would be a lot of re-work to get a retrofit.
Could it be done? Sure. (Just like @wk057 put AP in a classic Models S.) Will Tesla do it? Not a chance.
The way I look at it, it wouldn't be that difficult.
6 new cameras (there's already a front and rear facing camera), couldn't be more than $100 each. And $100 for a couple of plastic housings. = $700.
Ultrasonics, maybe about $500
Processor/GPU around $1000.
That's $2200 in hardware. $300 for wiring harnesses and new wiring.
And $2500 in labor buys you a lot of hours to take apart the car and retrofit it.
We paid $3000 for AP. Paying a $5k retrofit, would bring it in line with the total of $8000 they're charging on new cars. Even $7k would be way better than the level of depreciation we'll see on trading up to a new car.
6 new cameras (there's already a front and rear facing camera), couldn't be more than $100 each. And $100 for a couple of plastic housings. = $700.
Ultrasonics, maybe about $500
Processor/GPU around $1000.
That's $2200 in hardware. $300 for wiring harnesses and new wiring.
And $2500 in labor buys you a lot of hours to take apart the car and retrofit it.
We paid $3000 for AP. Paying a $5k retrofit, would bring it in line with the total of $8000 they're charging on new cars. Even $7k would be way better than the level of depreciation we'll see on trading up to a new car.
I didnt say it would be inexpensive, I said POSSIBLE, and I absolutely think that the newer cars within the last few months definitely have the ability to have SOME of the hardware retrofitted. Think about Tesla's history of manufacturing, any new hardware they add, gets added or provisions for that hardware are added to all cars prior to announcing said features. This comes in the form of an update to the production line in order to start delivering that hardware at the time of the announcement. Thats the reason why you have SOME RWD cars with APv1 hardware and some just prior to the update in the production line do not and cannot have that hardware.
Additionally, Tesla has never been keen on offering retrofits in general due to the extra burden it puts on their Service Center, plus the fact that any item that "cannot be retrofitted" becomes a value proposition to buy a "new" car in Tesla's POV. In the case of hardware its usually cost prohibitive, meaning its so costly you might as well buy a new car. This announcement in general is just another demand lever that Elon pulls to drive more sales in Q4 which results in new orders, trade-ins, and resale of the trade-ins to boost the numbers in Q4. So of course Elon will say "no retrofits".
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