theslimshadyist
Active Member
Sounds like we need a poll.
Are you over 50?
and
Are you skeptical about AP 2.0 claims?
Should be the two questions in the poll. Would love to see the data.
1. Almost (49)
2. No
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Sounds like we need a poll.
Are you over 50?
and
Are you skeptical about AP 2.0 claims?
Should be the two questions in the poll. Would love to see the data.
0-60 in 2.5 seconds not 2.7.Yes, Elon is "Salesman in Chief". Not "Provider In Chief" but just a cheap salesman. I mean come on now, all he's done in a few short years is provide us with a long range EV that goes 0-60 in 2.7 seconds, superchargers for long distance travel, best AP of any automaker and a US automaker outselling Mercedes, BMW, Audi, And Porsche In US.
I agree. It's all hype by that "Salesman in Chief." And what a fool I am since I still haven't caught on - AT ALL.
But you? You're a genius. You saw him as that swine "Salesman in Chief" he is! You nailed him right on with your description of him In fact, he will go down in history exactly as you described him:
"Salesman in Chief"
You're absolutely correct. Thanks for being the voice of calm and moderation.Why are we falling into two categories (again) here? Isn't it possible that Tesla has done wonderful things, exceeded expectations on some items, and over-promised and under-delivered on other items? Must their past successes translate to future success on every promise, or must their past failures translate to future failures on every new promise? Doesn't that sound ridiculous?
At the risk of sounding older than I am, and receiving the age-hammer, I do recall a time when there were moderates. That time was when people would meet face to face and discuss things. Once we get online, there's something about written medium that's too task intensive to explain a middle position, so people often just fall into one side or the other.
I think it's reasonable to be skeptical of the timeframe on AP 2.0 software implementation. It's also reasonable to be skeptical of whether or not that hardware is going to be sufficient, once they have some experience with it. But that doesn't mean we can't assume they're actually intent on doing it, and that there are skilled personnel working very hard every day at making that a reality. I also don't understand why anyone would hope for the failure of this technology.
You're a fool. How you can't possibly see that Elon is a conman "Salesman in Chief" who over-hypes and under-delivers is beyond me.
Well, that explains it. Can I sell you a "Shammy-Wow"?
"You are a fool"
Jeez, I never expected to be called names on this forum
"You are a fool"
Jeez, I never expected to be called names on this forum
0-60 in 2.5 seconds not 2.7.
You challenged us to provide examples of hyperbole and you got them and didn't refute any of them. Yes he's in the business of selling cars if you don't think so you're being naive. I never said I didn't love my car, the SuperCharger network or that he's a "swine" (those are your words not mine) so no need to create a straw man to support your argument (yes I saw what you did there).
Why are we falling into two categories (again) here? Isn't it possible that Tesla has done wonderful things, exceeded expectations on some items, and over-promised and under-delivered on other items? Must their past successes translate to future success on every promise, or must their past failures translate to future failures on every new promise? Doesn't that sound ridiculous?
That time was when people would meet face to face and discuss things. Once we get online, there's something about written medium that's too task intensive to explain a middle position, so people often just fall into one side or the other.
Queue in the violins !!!!!
I accept your invitation. Especially if there's going to be beer involved.You need to come to my house when me and my family/friends get together. There's no middle position and we all believe WE are right. And I don't think I'd want it any other way. (Have you ever been to an Italian family dinner?)
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I think it's reasonable to be skeptical of the timeframe on AP 2.0 software implementation. It's also reasonable to be skeptical of whether or not that hardware is going to be sufficient, once they have some experience with it. But that doesn't mean we can't assume they're actually intent on doing it, and that there are skilled personnel working very hard every day at making that a reality. I also don't understand why anyone would hope for the failure of this technology.
It was sarcasm. I have the utmost of respect for you!
Yes, you're right. I just like to be the contrarian sometimes (most of the time?). To tell you the truth, I really enjoy reading your posts and what you contribute to this forum. So please don't take me wrong when I challenge you. Life's too boring if we all get along.
Damn voice of reason! How much time do I have to spend in the principal's office?
You need to come to my house when me and my family/friends get together. There's no middle position and we all believe WE are right. And I don't think I'd want it any other way. (Have you ever been to an Italian family dinner?)
Why are we falling into two categories (again) here? Isn't it possible that Tesla has done wonderful things, exceeded expectations on some items, and over-promised and under-delivered on other items? Must their past successes translate to future success on every promise, or must their past failures translate to future failures on every new promise? Doesn't that sound ridiculous?
At the risk of sounding older than I am, and receiving the age-hammer, I do recall a time when there were moderates. That time was when people would meet face to face and discuss things. Once we get online, there's something about written medium that's too task intensive to explain a middle position, so people often just fall into one side or the other.
I think it's reasonable to be skeptical of the timeframe on AP 2.0 software implementation. It's also reasonable to be skeptical of whether or not that hardware is going to be sufficient, once they have some experience with it. But that doesn't mean we can't assume they're actually intent on doing it, and that there are skilled personnel working very hard every day at making that a reality. I also don't understand why anyone would hope for the failure of this technology.
I accept your invitation. Especially if there's going to be beer involved.
I'm 49, in the best shape of my life, and love to compete against the 20+ year olds when doing CrossFit. To me, age is just a number but I'm very young at heart. I listen to electronic music, alternative, gothic, old school, rock, etc. and I frequently travel the country to see concerts and shows. When people as me my age and I tell them, their reply is almost always, "No Way"! I always respond with, "I'm 49 going on 30".
Life's what you make it and so is aging, I prefer youthful at heart and always look for the positive in any given situation.
I would try to join you, if you get up here!You have a standing invite. In fact, I'd be insulted if you came to BC and didn't look me up.
0-60 in 2.5 seconds not 2.7.
You challenged us to provide examples of hyperbole and you got them and didn't refute any of them. Yes he's in the business of selling cars if you don't think so you're being naive. I never said I didn't love my car, the SuperCharger network or that he's a "swine" (those are your words not mine) so no need to create a straw man to support your argument (yes I saw what you did there).
Yeah right? .2 of a second is huge!Thank you! Don't rob me of those 0.2 seconds!
And *that*, I think, would be a truly interesting answer....What I want to know is what George Hotz (geohot) thinks about the new AutoPilot 2.0. He claimed at the time it was about par with current AutoPilot. Does this kill his comma.ai venture or would you just say it's not the same market since he will be selling to 3rd party vendors?
I'm in full agreement with the journey that Tesla is taking towards self-driving. But, I can't get behind the approach Tesla is taking to the Full Self-Driving capability package.
The way it is comes across more as fantasy than anything within the realm of reality for the next couple years. That might work well for Kickstarter, and investors but not for end customers. For luxury cars you typically see ownerships of 3-4 years (due to leasing). They could very well not have anything from that package during the entire 3-4 years of their lease. So if they opt for it they're really just giving money to Tesla to fight the good fight. Which is okay if that's your intention.