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[kpeters000]

A little late, but finally did a full supercharge capture of 2020.40.9.2. No adverse effects.

Notes:
-109kW reached at 27% (same as 2020.4.1's peak)
-Max rate of 111kW@37% (+2kW peak vs prev 2020.4.1, same as orig 2019.20.4.2)
-Dropped below 100kW@48% (4% later than prev 2020.4.1, 3% later than orig 2019.2020.4.2)
-96kW@50% (+7kW@50% vs prev 2020.4.1, +4kW@50% vs orig 2019.20.4.2)

 

[AustinP]

A little late, but finally did a full supercharge capture of 2020.40.9.2. No adverse effects.

Notes:
-109kW reached at 27% (same as 2020.4.1's peak)
-Max rate of 111kW@37% (+2kW peak vs prev 2020.4.1, same as orig 2019.20.4.2)
-Dropped below 100kW@48% (4% later than prev 2020.4.1, 3% later than orig 2019.2020.4.2)
-96kW@50% (+7kW@50% vs prev 2020.4.1, +4kW@50% vs orig 2019.20.4.2)

Nice... SuC speed of ancient times in this 85 owner's view.

 

[Droschke]

A little late, but finally did a full supercharge capture of 2020.40.9.2. No adverse effects.

Notes:
-109kW reached at 27% (same as 2020.4.1's peak)
-Max rate of 111kW@37% (+2kW peak vs prev 2020.4.1, same as orig 2019.20.4.2)
-Dropped below 100kW@48% (4% later than prev 2020.4.1, 3% later than orig 2019.2020.4.2)
-96kW@50% (+7kW@50% vs prev 2020.4.1, +4kW@50% vs orig 2019.20.4.2)

Nice... SuC speed of ancient times in this 85 owner's view.

That's for a 2015 S90D, not an S85. The S85's charging speeds are crippled.

 

[aerodyne]

Nice... SuC speed of ancient times in this 85 owner's view.

Perhaps the 90's got a bad rap with the early degradation, but they look like keepers now...

 

[AustinP]

That's for a 2015 S90D, not an S85. The S85's charging speeds are crippled.

I know it is a 90, it was an attempt at a joke: "this 85 owner" meant me. Poor wording I guess.

 

[Pruitt]

A little late, but finally did a full supercharge capture of 2020.40.9.2. No adverse effects.

Notes:
-109kW reached at 27% (same as 2020.4.1's peak)
-Max rate of 111kW@37% (+2kW peak vs prev 2020.4.1, same as orig 2019.20.4.2)
-Dropped below 100kW@48% (4% later than prev 2020.4.1, 3% later than orig 2019.2020.4.2)
-96kW@50% (+7kW@50% vs prev 2020.4.1, +4kW@50% vs orig 2019.20.4.2)

Was your charge rate hobbled before?

I have a 90D, but I haven't supercharged in quite a while. Mine was emasculated to 94 kW max since (I think) about late 1917.

If you were about the same, I'm gonna have to go out and drive around until I get to about 15% charge, then stop at the supercharger and see if my charge rate has gone up!

 

[cousin_IT]

Perhaps the 90's got a bad rap with the early degradation, but they look like keepers now...

That's what you call first mover advantage? ;-)

 

[BigNick]

Was your charge rate hobbled before?

I have a 90D, but I haven't supercharged in quite a while. Mine was emasculated to 94 kW max since (I think) about late 1917.

I see you paid for the Flux Capacitor upgrade.

 

[JamstationP85D]

This is my P85D. As you can see.. I have very minimal DC charging. Maybe thats why it still stays over 100 for a while? It will eventually drop below 100 after 50% or so though. I also received 40.9.2 last night (haven't charged on it yet).

 

[BigNick]

Wow, I thought my DC Charge Total was low. I haven't SCed on 2020.40.9.2.

 

[Pruitt]

Well, I just got back from testing supercharging on 2020.40.10.whateverthehellitis. No improvements. Slowly ramped up to 94kW peak at around 45%, then tapered down after about 5 minutes. If you're getting higher numbers in a 90D, you're darned lucky.

 

[aerodyne]

Wow, I thought my DC Charge Total was low. I haven't SCed on 2020.40.9.2.

I don't think the nerfing due to the DC charge counter starts until 10000 KwH

 

[SmartElectric]

Well, I just got back from testing supercharging on 2020.40.10.whateverthehellitis. No improvements. Slowly ramped up to 94kW peak at around 45%, then tapered down after about 5 minutes. If you're getting higher numbers in a 90D, you're darned lucky.

It's -10C here in Toronto, not far from New Jersey, so if you didn't crank the heat into the battery, getting good supercharging rates would be unlikely. Two days ago, peaked at 88kW in our 2013 Model S and matched the same 120-SOC% profile since we bought the car, ie, charging every bit as fast as new. (Note : early Model S were limited to 90kW peak charge rates).

 

[aerodyne]

It's -10C here in Toronto, not far from New Jersey, so if you didn't crank the heat into the battery, getting good supercharging rates would be unlikely. Two days ago, peaked at 88kW in our 2013 Model S and matched the same 120-SOC% profile since we bought the car, ie, charging every bit as fast as new. (Note : early Model S were limited to 90kW peak charge rates).

Great...so another way of looking at it, my 2015 85 did not get nerfed down from 116 peak, but restored to the Classic SuC rate of 88...

 

[Barry]

This is my P85D. As you can see.. I have very minimal DC charging. Maybe thats why it still stays over 100 for a while? It will eventually drop below 100 after 50% or so though. I also received 40.9.2 last night (haven't charged on it yet).

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Metric Kilowatts are different

 

[SmartElectric]

Great...so another way of looking at it, my 2015 85 did not get nerfed down from 116 peak, but restored to the Classic SuC rate of 88...

I suspect Tesla is using this charge curve because it has shown (from the data they collect) to result in better longevity than the charge curve they implemented on cars newer than mine. I can't prove this, but the charge curves "nerfed" cars have are similar to the one my car came with from factory...

 

[aerodyne]

I suspect Tesla is using this charge curve because it has shown (from the data they collect) to result in better longevity than the charge curve they implemented on cars newer than mine. I can't prove this, but the charge curves "nerfed" cars have are similar to the one my car came with from factory...

True. Batteries last longer when they don't combust. Since Shanghai, and the resulting nerf, very few self immolations reported.

 

[vdiv]

How low can it go?! The nerfing seems to be affecting cold battery AC charging as well, perhaps taking the increased internal resistance into account. Basically "opportunity charging" whether DC or AC becomes a "warm up/keep the battery warm" charging when tooling around town, as regen. braking is gone at anything below 50ºF/10ºC. At around freezing the battery will not even charge unless it can heat up first, so cars parked outside and cold-soaked (like mine) get screwed. Gotta keep them plugged in and preconditioned.

 

[dark cloud]

Metric Kilowatts are different

Considering the US are still using the Fahrenheit scale, be thankful Tesla didn't use British Thermal Units.

 

[Pruitt]

It's -10C here in Toronto, not far from New Jersey, so if you didn't crank the heat into the battery, getting good supercharging rates would be unlikely. Two days ago, peaked at 88kW in our 2013 Model S and matched the same 120-SOC% profile since we bought the car, ie, charging every bit as fast as new. (Note : early Model S were limited to 90kW peak charge rates).

OOPS! I guess I should update my profile. I'm not in NJ anymore - now in Casper WY, where it was about 40 degrees F when I charged. No matter, because that was after about 2 1/2 hours of driving, so the battery was fully warm.