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No such stories. There is no public connection between the Foxconn car and the Apple car.

Foxconn just happens to manufacture the iPhone.

Whenever there is a story about Foxconn they mention Apple because Foxconn has no public brands the public can make a connection with.


If Foxconn does go ahead with their own car it will be interesting to see what reaction Apple has to it.

The same Taiwanese manufacture that makes $15k electric cars for the Chinese market will manufacture the iCar in China as well?
 
Rob you are right. The capacity is the problem. Personally I don't think that car factories are the problem - just revive some closed factories in England, Belgium, France or wherever and get tax dollar to revive it. But the capacity to build the batteries!
And I do not think that if Apple would consider entering the car market they would consider to build numbers like Bentley or Rolls Royce, they would go out and attack the biggest! And they would need a huge amount of batteries! Where could they get them?
 
Rob you are right. The capacity is the problem. Personally I don't think that car factories are the problem - just revive some closed factories in England, Belgium, France or wherever and get tax dollar to revive it. But the capacity to build the batteries!
And I do not think that if Apple would consider entering the car market they would consider to build numbers like Bentley or Rolls Royce, they would go out and attack the biggest! And they would need a huge amount of batteries! Where could they get them?

Well, let's see. Here's a quote on the gigafactory: "The total capital expenditures associated with the Gigafactory through 2020 are expected to be $4-5 billion, of which approximately $2 billion is expected to come from Tesla."

Well, Apple has 158 billion dollars parked overseas that they aren't really sure what to do with. Basically if Apple really wants to do something, they have the money to do it. And hey, if you're looking for a way to use large amounts of capital, then the car business is about perfect (just like the old quote about the best way to get a small fortune).
 
Five years is enough time to build whatever factories that are needed to manufacture cars, batteries etc.

The company famous for outsourcing all light industry manufacturing is going to go hard core into heavy industry manufacturing?

If they intend to have someone else build the factories they are going to have to sign long term contracts at a premium price to convince others to make the capital investment. Which would defeat the purpose of outsourcing to save money and maintain flexibility by playing one electronics contract manufacturer against another.

If they are planing all these new factories they will have to tip there hand soon to have Job #1 in 2020.

By negotiating with governments , suppliers,builders, mining companies and various partners.


They can't just spring gigafactories and massive auto factories and all the parts and raw materials that will feed them out of a hat.
 
I think the end game will be all about software and services. Imagine automotive control software and infotainment from Apple. A service setup for over-the-air updates of car firmware. Integration with itunes and all other i-services. Apple can handle all the monthly service fees and contract with car companies. Not just for electric cars, but for all automobiles. This would play to all of Apple's strengths. They would also design a standard spec for the hardware, but someone else will build it.
 
If they intend to have someone else build the factories they are going to have to sign long term contracts at a premium price to convince others to make the capital investment. Which would defeat the purpose of outsourcing to save money and maintain flexibility by playing one electronics contract manufacturer against another.
That is just speculation.
 
That is just speculation.


It is just common sense.

Unlike the electronics industry, in the automotive industry there is no overcapacity in the contract manufacture space.

Why would X firm make massive capital expenditures to make tiny margins on short term contracts so Apple can make massive margins?

Why would a legacy automaker manufacture for Apple on tiny margins so Apple can take their market share while making massive margins?
 
It doesn't make economic sense to mass-produce cars and ship them all around the world.
So if Apple is serious about becoming a car company, they will have factories in all major markets.
I guess they will focus on north america first, as it's the easiest to break in to.


Stories broke last year about the Apple/Foxconn car in China
That has nothing to do with Apple.

Foxconn is one of a few companies that can benefit from new Chinese government regulation allowing high-tech manufactures to apply for a "new energy vehicle" production license.
Companies eye electric car sector as China changes business rules,|Policy|Business|WantChinaTimes.com
 
CARL ICAHN ISSUES OPEN LETTER TO TIM COOK
At $1.6 trillion, the enormous addressable market for new cars is approximately four times the size of the smartphone market. It’s estimated that people spend an average of 1 hour every day traveling, mostly in cars, but not everyone drives, implying that the average time that daily commuters spend in a car is much higher. We believe the rumors that Apple will introduce an Apple-branded car by 2020, and we believe it is no coincidence that many believe visibility on autonomous driving will gain material traction by then.
As autonomous driving would release drivers’ attention from the activity of driving and navigating, and perhaps even increase the time people actually want to spend inside a car, both an automobile and the services provided therein become even more strategically compelling. While Apple currently addresses this market with CarPlay, it seems logical that Apple would view the car itself as a the ultimate mobile device to which it could bring its peerless track record of marrying superior industrial design with software and services, along with its globally admired brand, and offer consumers an overall automobile experience that not only changes the world but also adds a robust vertical to the Apple ecosystem. And for Apple, the car market is more than big enough to “move the needle” significantly, even as the world’s largest company.
The rising cost of oil, its impact on global warming, the geopolitical risks associated with oil dependency (especially as fuel for automobiles), followed more recently by the rise of cost effective alternatives presents a “change the world” opportunity for Apple. It is widely believed that the electric battery will play a key role in this transition. The lithium-ion battery already represents a critical component across many of Apple’s existing products (iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, MacBook, Beats) and any further innovation could be a “game changer” in terms of both battery life and form factor across Apple’s entire ecosystem. Since lithium-ion batteries represent a large percentage of the cost of today’s electric vehicle, we believe Apple should be well positioned to leverage its existing knowledge domain and more robust R&D spending in this area, and in turn apply any energy density / battery life improvements for a car across all the other products in its ecosystem that will share the benefit from such battery innovation (iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, MacBook, Beats).
 
And can anyone point to the experience Apple has in building ANYTHING with so much as a single moving part? Their hard drives were bought from someone else...

Well, nitpicking, but they have fans that spin in their computers. And buttons on keyboards and mice that move.
(But perhaps those fans and buttons were all bought from someone else?)
 
My speculation: when iCar comes out people really start buying EVs, just because it is Apple. It will be a competitor for Model 3 but because everyone wants an EV at that point it will also boost Model 3 sales. Apple will buy half of Supercharging infra from Tesla and all Superchargers will have also "Apple" sign.
 
And can anyone point to the experience Apple has in building ANYTHING with so much as a single moving part? Their hard drives were bought from someone else...

While others may manufacture what Apple sells, Apple is very different from other companies. Apple spells out the manufacturing process in detail and often buys the equipment that produces the products. Many of the manufacturing processes used to make Apple products were developed by Apple. Also, when you have almost $200B in liquid assets you can do a lot.
 
While others may manufacture what Apple sells, Apple is very different from other companies. Apple spells out the manufacturing process in detail and often buys the equipment that produces the products. Many of the manufacturing processes used to make Apple products were developed by Apple. Also, when you have almost $200B in liquid assets you can do a lot.
Agreed. Just because Apple doesn't own the factories where their current products are produced does not mean they don't have extensive manufacturing experience. Apple controls and specifies the manufacturing process for their products down to the nth degree.

Apple has the cash to build a huge car factory from scratch if they want to. And if they do, I bet they won't build it in China, they'll build their first one in the US.

I was a skeptic at first but I'm warming up to the idea of Apple creating an EV that could even outdo Tesla in five years. It's exciting to envision the possibilities!