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Are the 21" Wheels stopping your Performance upgrade?

Discussion in 'Model S: Driving Dynamics' started by bluetinc, Jun 9, 2012.

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Are the 21" Wheels stopping your Prefomance upgrade?

  1. I am already ordering the Performance version and keeping the 21s.

    72 vote(s)
    48.3%
  2. I am already ordering the Performance version and I would take the credit for the downgrade.

    18 vote(s)
    12.1%
  3. I would order the Performance version only if I get credit for the downgrade to 19s.

    37 vote(s)
    24.8%
  4. I am already ordering the Standard version and keeping my order unchanged.

    22 vote(s)
    14.8%
  1. JakeP

    JakeP S P4996 / X P6028

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    Wow, that is interesting, and blows my theory out of the water...unless they priced them that way to ensure you cannot get a cheaper 21" wheel upgrade by purchasing a spare set. Where did you see the official pricing on the spare sets?

    And just to reaffirm, I do very much appreciate that we have the option to downgrade to the 19" wheel, or buy a spare set of 19" factory wheels. As you point out, both options are fairly unheard of with other auto manufacturers, and this speaks volumes for Tesla's customer experience. I know with my BMW for winter wheels I was sent straight to TireRack.com; I don't think a spare set of factory rims was even possible, or at least wasn't offered.
     
  2. ckessel

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    I hear you. Here's the other side of that from my view.

    1) Tesla is always touted as having a different sales model (preorder, no haggling, etc), so falling back on "this is how other vendors do it" rings hollow to me. That's trying to have your cake and eat it too, so to speak.

    2) The tire thing is exactly the kind of bargaining the old dealer model could support. Yea, maybe the company (Toyota, Ford, whatever) doesn't support the 19" on their Perf model, but you can needle the dealer with "winter weather sucks here, drop the price by $X and give me 19s and we've got a deal". I'm not advocating the old dealer model because it sucks in so many ways we've all discussed, but it does have certain dealer discretion flexibility that Tesla doesn't provide.

    I think what really niggles at me actually is just the oddity of it.

    The base model is completely ala carte pricing and even with the Perf is mostly ala carte: paint, paint armor, HPC, pano roof, sound system, tech package, parcel shelf, etc. The Perf tires really stand out as a break from the ala carte model (well, and the leather, not sure why that's forced either given some folks aversion to it). The air suspension, as a mechanical internal part, I can understand being required for the Perf.

    Tesla has this great, consistent, fairly priced, ala carte pricing model (for non-Sigs) then sort of bizarrely tosses it aside for the Perf tires, something so trivial to change, literally a 5 minute bolt-on.
     
  3. qwk

    qwk Model S P2681

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    Same here. Want the Perf, but somehow cannot justify paying for something I will not get. Oh well, Tesla will lose out on an extra $20-30k from me.
     
  4. brianman

    brianman Burrito Founder

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    That only goes so far.

    "All other car providers make me pay for them. Tesla doing the same rings hollow to me. They should just give me the car for free."

    Tesla's blazing a lot of new trails. If you expect them to blaze new trail for everything then you might as well just start with being upset rather than trying to build an argument why you're upset.
     
  5. JakeP

    JakeP S P4996 / X P6028

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    I think CKessel fairly articulately stated that he is quite happy with every aspect of the a la carte options in the design studio, but that this one feature of 21 vs 19" wheels with its unidirectional price disparity (it can only add cost if added, never reduce cost if taken away), seems to be arbitrarily inconsistent with the rest of the pricing. His only other concern is that performance leather, which includes the piping that some do not like (I can do without the red piping but love the other two, personally), is required with a Perf. Those hardly constitute "being upset". I think these concerns are very accurately described, and would agree with Ckessel when he says that the incongruity of this one option with the rest of the Tesla ultimate-flexibility "a la carte" model is what really makes it stick out and be noticed...and not in a good way.
     
  6. neroden

    neroden Model S Owner and Frustrated Tesla Fan

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    I think it's clear that "full a la carte" is a better model from a customer standpoint.

    ...What Tesla is discovering is that it is a problematic model from an assembly-line standpoint. Which is why most car manufacturers don't do it.

    I think it strikes us as particularly odd, and even "shady", with the *wheels* because making them a la carte is *not* problematic from an assembly-line standpoint.
     
  7. brianman

    brianman Burrito Founder

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    Many think this, but we don't really know this.
     
  8. MyDreamCar

    MyDreamCar I can't drive 55

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    • I am already ordering the Performance version and keeping the 21s.
    • I am already ordering the Performance version and I would take the credit for the downgrade.
    • I would order the Performance version only if I get credit for the downgrade to 19s.
    • I am already ordering the Standard version and keeping my order unchanged.

    Another choice: I am already ordering the Performance version and keeping the 21s and buying a set of 19s for the winter.
     
  9. JakeP

    JakeP S P4996 / X P6028

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    • Yes, after much deliberation, I think this is my new choice also.
     
  10. vfx

    vfx Well-Known Member

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    With the problems with Traction Control on the Roadster with off-stock tire brands, are there any issues with changing wheel sizes?
     
  11. jerry33

    jerry33 S85 - VIN:P05130 - 3/2/13

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    If the tire revolutions per mile are within the tolerances that Tesla has programmed into the traction control, the wheel size shouldn't make a difference. The problem here is finding out what the tolerances are.
     
  12. eelton

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    Just placed my reservation (#12,198). I'll probably go with the 60kWh model, but if I could get the $3500 credit for "downgrading" to the 19 inch wheels, I'd go with the performance model.
     
  13. brianman

    brianman Burrito Founder

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    Gratz on your reserve and welcome to the forum.
     

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