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Are there any other cars out there using Tesla patents for charging?

Discussion in 'Supercharging & Charging Infrastructure' started by epley, Nov 22, 2019.

  1. epley

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    Since releasing the patents on its charging technology, have any other companies produced vehicles that can use Tesla chargers and superchargers?
     
  2. Ostrichsak

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    Short answer: no.

    Longer answer: no because they recognize the profit potential but fitting a proprietary connection type for a network that they then control the price and set profit margins of. Since they can't stay afloat by gouging customers on parts that are always failing they want to be the car manufacturer and what is effectively the gas stations of today. This is exactly what Tesla was trying to avoid by creating an awesome Supercharger network that everyone could utilize thus making it a universal connection. Instead, we're going to have iPhone, Android, Samsung and Motorola back when they all had their own unique charger which just made things needlessly convoluted with the only motivation being profit.
     
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    I don't know how true that is. Tesla may have released the patents for Supercharger, but my understanding is they haven't released a spec for how to actually connect to it. By contrast, the specs for CCS are available to any manufacturer including all the data for not only including it in a car, but in building and operating a third-party charging station where you can set whatever rates you want. That's now the standard used by Chevy, Kia, Hyundai, Ford, Volvo, BMW, etc and provides the same or better maximum charging as Supercharger while being backwards compatible with home and public J1772 stations. Really, given that only one of the CCS networks is associated directly with an automaker and most of them can just take a credit card at the stall, I'd say it's more Tesla that has a walled garden--though one that today still does have slightly more chargers and slightly better $/kWh rates for charging. This is really more of a US thing, now that Telsa has switched to CCS in Europe, which now enjoys a single universal charging standard. Hopefully the same will happen here in the US before there's too many legacy cars on the road.
     
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    No, that's not right. It's not going to be 4+ different types. It's more like what we have now, with Apple having their plug type, and Android phones having theirs. CHAdeMO is dying out and will be gone soon, so it will just be Superchargers and CCS as the two DC fast charging standards left in the U.S.
     
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    My theory: The reason for no takers might also be because they don't want to pay Tesla for the usage privilege.

    Superchargers are not free. The price is either built-in or pay-per-session so other companies who want to use it would have to pay Tesla also.

    Instead of paying Tesla and thus increasing the cost of their cars, they just shift that cost of lacking Supercharger advantage to consumers.
     
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    Sure, when only considering the US. But more broadly there will also be the Chinese standard, GB/T. And the fact that NA/Korea/Taiwan CCS is different from Europe/Australia/India CCS. These differences are going to really mess with the international markets for used EVs going forwards.
     
  7. Rocky_H

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    Well sure, cross-shipping vehicles across continents is never going to work very well. I don't consider that much of a realistic problem to be concerned with because it's not a new problem. Make sure you shake your cane at the world and tell it to get off your lawn when you yell at each continent/country for having different format outlets and voltages for their electrical systems. :rolleyes:
     

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