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Arguing in Circles
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Norbert
TSLA will win
In the journalistic and political context, the "idiot" explanation doesn't really compute, for me. What do you think?
Norbert
TSLA will win
No. He mostly makes a big fuss about his opinion that "projected range" should replace "rated range". Well, that may be his opinion, but as far as I can tell, everyone very quickly understands that "rated range" is not a minimum range.
So did Broder, in spite of being very uninformed in general:
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bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
IMO Mr Broder had more then enough range to complete the final loop to/from the SuperCharger. I believe the range drop overnight forced Mr Broder and Tesla to conclude that the car had less range than it did and to 'condition' the car and divert to a charging station. IMO the car was at fault here and both Tesla and Mr Broder then compounded the problem.
I never bother waiting for more range than I need when at public Charging Station.... the moment I have enough range for my trip I'm gone. This is exactly what Mr Broder did and I really don't think we can fault him for that decision.
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Sure.... IMO the moment the car got into trouble Mr Musk should have arranged a meeting with NYT and a re-test. IMO the tweeting of the word 'fake' set the tone for everything that's happened since.
he also asked Tesla to produce the logs.... do you think that's relevant? do you think they should?
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I was commenting on the fact that a new user like yourself on TMC seems to be 'brow beaten' by existing members... IMO this is detrimental to the debate. I'm happy to continue if we can move the discussion forward.
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Agreed! We really need to see the cars logs.
JRP3
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Not going to happen, and not even relevant. We don't need the logs to see where Broder failed repeatedly. Your practice of only putting in as much charge as you need works fine for an experienced EV driver who knows his vehicle and his routes, it makes no sense at all for a novice who is supposedly so concerned with range anxiety that he is "freezing" in the car and creeping along in attempts to conserve power.
Al Sherman
It's about THIS car.
Conjecture. How can you possibly even assume this much less state it as fact? I for one have never been, or felt "brow beaten" by anyone on this forum. I have also found Ruffone's posts to be thoughtful and unafraid.
You may not need the logs but 'we' do.... seems to me that your whole case is based on trusting Tesla over Mr Broder and yet you're not prepared to test that trust in Tesla by requesting the logs.
You constantly posting the same thing over and over again trying to get people to engage. You've made your point. Tesla seems to be at fault in your opinion and needs to produce 'full logs', Broder was just an average guy doing what an average guy would do on a drive so not at fault. Thank you for your contribution.
you're welcome.... it would be very helpful if you could publish a policy on acceptable topics for discussion in this thread. It's hard to know what is and is not acceptable to the moderators on this public forum. many thanks :smile:
Can you also give me a link to the new forum members policy? I can't locate it.
Tesla needs to produce full logs. Because those can't possibly be faked. That would be proof that Broder didn't fully charge the car even though he says he didn't and he verifies Tesla's graphs. Maybe the 19" wheel size kept him from fully charging the car.
Al Sherman
It's about THIS car.
Al Sherman
It's about THIS car.
You constantly demand group hugs though
LOL. What can I say? I believe in the group hug as a negative energy diffuser. That's a whole other thread though. Don't want to hijack the all important "arguing in circles" thread.:wink:
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The logs could be faked but that is unlikely IMO. What's your reason for not releasing the logs? Don't you think it would stop the speculation and prove that Tesla are right?
Yes but the data they released ready does that. If you think they are lying or twisting the truth with what they already released then 'full data' would be the same. It might have proprietary data in it anyway so Tesla has released what they are comfortable with. Not sure what you think the full data will prove or how it will back up your defense of Broder. It is clear he never fully charged the car. That is beyond dispute and fact not open to interpretation.
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