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Would also amount to an admission that there is a problem with the current design (which I think there is not).
I don't think it matters if there is a problem or not if the perception is that one exists. Personally I don't think these cars should be catching fire from running over something and I think there is room for improvement without doing anything too exotic or expensive. One solution to the curb clearance issue would be to set back the lower lip inline with the front wheel spindles, or nearly so, which would allow speed bumps and such to be cleared, but pack reinforcement alone may eliminate any need for changes to the front. Road debris appears to be much too pervasive to ignore these events.
 
On Exuberance and Depression

4 months ago we closed at about $130 on July 12th, when TESLIVE weekend started. People were quite exuberant at the stock price.

Now 4 months later we're back at almost the same price.

During times of unbridled enthusiasm people tend to focus on the potential and forget about the risks.

During times of depression people tend to focus on the risks and forget about the potential.

Ironically, if the company is truly a stellar company the unbridled enthusiasm (albeit as dangerous as it is) is usually closer to the truth/reality than depression. With a stellar company, the unbridled enthusiasm will come back at some point and we'll break through new ATHs. It's the timing that's the difficult part, and sometimes the periods of depression can be much shorter than expected or much longer than expected.

On Exuberance

Forecasting where a stock is headed is very, very difficult… especially in the short-term. That’s why people tend to rely on the past (ie., trends, charts, prices, etc) to give them hints as to where the price might be headed. The stronger the historical precedent is for a trend, the stronger people tend to believe that the trend will continue. For example, when TSLA experienced it’s historic uptrend from $35 to $190 (with a few rests along the way), the exuberance continued to grow.

Exuberance in of itself is not a bad thing. What exuberance does is it extracts value from the future and adds it into the present value of the stock today. So, at $190 investors were just looking further into the future with Tesla as a company and attributing that value into the stock today. This is what a stock price is; namely, it projects into the future the earnings of a company to determine a price today.

The tricky thing about exuberance is that it can keep on going higher than what most expect, or it can stop suddenly and reverse as well. With TSLA, I think the exuberance could have continued as long as Tesla was able to scale production in an exciting way (ie., 6500 deliveries in Q3 and 7500 in Q4). We could have seen the stock continue it’s trek into the 200s to 300 over the next several months.

However, Tesla experienced production constraints greater than investor expectations and was hit with a few fires. Now, the exuberance has turned to anxiety, fear, and a depression of sorts. Rather than focusing on the potential of the company (which exuberance does), the focus has turned to the risks. What if people don’t buy Tesla’s cars because of these fires? What if another fire happens? What if Tesla doesn’t adequately address this 3rd fire? Etc.

On Depression

When depression hits, it only is accentuating the risks that were already present during the times of exuberance. Or sometimes the risks that were already there are just realized to a certain extent (ie., 3rd fire). During exuberant times, risks are often overshadowed and overlooked because there isa stream of good news like growing demand, awards, and growing belief in the company’s long-term prospects.

It’s extremely difficult to accurately assess the risks during times of exuberance because often exuberance is contagious. One can look at the past charts and price history and see that the stock is rising and will continue to rise. The greater/longer the trend, the more confident people feel about the present. However, we need to be careful during extended exuberant times. The reason is because during exuberant times investors are extracting future potential/earnings of the company further down the road than they normally would if the exuberance wasn’t there. Meaning, if the exuberance disappears then investors no longer extract as much future potential/earnings of the company into the present stock price. And this leads to downward pressure.

Handle with caution

When a stock rises on extended exuberance, I’m not suggesting to completely stay away from the stock. But I think you need to handle it with caution. The reason to not completely stay away is because the exuberance can continue for a very long time, much longer than one expects. All it means is that investors are extracting more and more future value into the present. As long as the company is growing fast, then it will likely eventually meet or beat those expectations and justify the stock price even without the exuberance extraction of future potential. But the reason to handle with care is because the exuberance can be reversed if the company misses a step or a few steps in a row. Investors don’t extract the same amount of future value into the present and the stock price contracts.

The stellar company

The great thing about investing in a stellar company is even if the stock goes through a period of depression it will return to exuberance at some point. The reason being is because the stellar company is growing at a very fast growth rate (ie., 100% annual rate with TSLA) and when a few months pass, often the company has already grown their revenue 20%. Another quarter passes and their revenue is 20% higher than the previous quarter. At some point, people realize there depression (or overly focusing on the risks) is unjustified and they’re drawn into the potential of the company once again. This starts the exuberance period again. And as long as the company can surpass investor expectations, the exuberance will likely continue until the company can no longer beat investor expectations. Then, a period of depression can ensue.

These periods of exuberance and depression can be very short or very long. But with a high-growth stellar company, the periods of exuberance tend to out shadow the periods of depression. The is due to the fact that the stellar company’s potential eventually shines through the depression periods by posting some kind of exciting news (ie., accelerating revenue, earnings, demand, market size, etc.).

So to recap, during times of extended exuberance one should be aware that the exuberance can end and turn to depression and the extracted future value that investors are adding into the present stock price can be retracted. It doesn’t mean to stay totally away; it just means handle with caution.

Assessing a company

Now during times of depression, it can be difficult to know what to do because the risks surrounding the company are often highlighted and focused on. Usually during times of depression most investors want to stay away from the stock (or short it). But at some point, the value of the company becomes attractive again to the investors who believe in the company. In other words, enough of the future value that was extracted into the present is retracted back to the future so the stock price becomes appealing once again to savvy investors looking for value and an attractive opportunity to get into a stock that will return to its high-flying days at some point.

During times of depression, it’s also important to assess if the company’s fundamentals have weakened in a significant manner or not. If the company’s long-term prospects have been fundamentally altered in a negative way, then the downward pressure of the stock is not just the result of depression but it’s the result of a true downtrend where the fundamentals are driving the downward pressure of the stock, not just sentiment. In that case, the stock can go to lows beyond what most people might expect. It can be a long road down, and you probably don’t want to be on it.

Some of the greatest investment decisions have been made by investing in stellar companies that are going through a period of depression. Not only do you get to invest in a stellar company, but you are able to do it with a steep discount.

The battle of investing

One of the fundamental ideas behind investing is to buy something today that people will want more in the future. That way it’s worth more later. This is why when you buy a stellar company during a time of depression, you’re betting that because it’s a stellar company the exuberance will return at some point and people will want to own a part of that company a lot more than they do right now.

In a way, great investing can be psychological warfare. If you’re going to invest in stellar company during periods of depression, you must overcome the fears, doubts, real risks, and uncertainty that is prevalent during the period of depression. That’s not easy. One key skill that can help is to develop a system where you can come up with valuations on your own, not relying on analysts and others. Meaning, you can look at a company’s financials and determine what you are willing to pay for the company if you were to buy the company outright. Normally, this entails looking at their revenue, margins, growth rate, earnings, addressable market, competitive advantage, etc. to come up with a sum of money you’d be willing to purchase the company for (note: the challenge is most people use over-simplified methods and aren’t very good at this). Now when you do this, you want to reach a sum that is fair to both sides. Now, armed with this valuation you are able to enter the battlefield. If the company’s market cap is significantly lower than the amount you’re willing to purchase the company for, then it becomes a candidate to buy shares. Of course, there are other factors in making a decision but at least now you’re armed with numbers as you evaluate the market cap of a stellar company you have your eyes on, and this can help you pull the trigger during the turbulent periods of depression surrounding a stock.

Coming up with your own valuations is not easy. In fact, I’m not sure most people have the skills or discipline to do it effectively. That’s why the risks of investing are amplified for most people. Personally, I learned the example of this method from Warren Buffett. He says that his hobby is reading annual reports and he’ll read through hundreds (or thousands) every year. He’s looking for a business that he understands and that is being valued significantly under his own constructed valuation given on the company. But he’s not looking for a ton of them. He’s got very high standards and is looking for that 1 out of 1,000 company, and will keep searching until he finds it. That's part of what makes him a great investor.

Last Words

Periods of depression and exuberance are normal parts of the experience of investing. Don’t be surprised by either, but rather be prepared. When in periods of exuberance, be aware of the risks involved. And when in periods of depression, don’t forget the potential of a stellar company whose long-term fundamentals are in tact.
 
Reposting here from the Short-Term thread...

... But I really do hope we trade in the 130s on Monday again so I can buy 2016 LEAPs. I'm just not counting on it. If it goes to the 140s I'll probably buy some 2016s but not as much as I would have if the stock was trading in the 130s.

Dave, what is your expectation on premium for the Jan '16 LEAPs on Monday, and do you expect the premium to go up or down? One would think when they get introduced there will be pent-up demand driving the price up?

(I don't have any idea with how these get priced.)

Also, does it make any difference in premium how far they are OTM? For example, will the 190 premium be higher, lower, or about the same as the 170 calls?
 
4 months ago we closed at about $130 on July 12th, when TESLIVE weekend started. People were quite exuberant at the stock price.

Now 4 months later we're back at almost the same price.

During times of unbridled enthusiasm people tend to focus on the potential and forget about the risks.

During times of depression people tend to focus on the risks and forget about the potential.

Ironically, if the company is truly a stellar company the unbridled enthusiasm (albeit as dangerous as it is) is usually closer to the truth/reality than depression. With a stellar company, the unbridled enthusiasm will come back at some point and we'll break through new ATHs. It's the timing that's the difficult part, and sometimes the periods of depression can be much shorter than expected or much longer than expected.

On Exuberance

Forecasting where a stock is headed is very, very difficult… especially in the short-term. That’s why people tend to rely on the past (ie., trends, charts, prices, etc) to give them hints as to where the price might be headed. The stronger the historical precedent is for a trend, the stronger people tend to believe that the trend will continue. For example, when TSLA experienced it’s historic uptrend from $35 to $190 (with a few rests along the way), the exuberance continued to grow.

Exuberance in of itself is not a bad thing. What exuberance does is it extracts value from the future and adds it into the present value of the stock today. So, at $190 investors were just looking further into the future with Tesla as a company and attributing that value into the stock today. This is what a stock price is; namely, it projects into the future the earnings of a company to determine a price today.

The tricky thing about exuberance is that it can keep on going higher than what most expect, or it can stop suddenly and reverse as well. With TSLA, I think the exuberance could have continued as long as Tesla was able to scale production in an exciting way (ie., 6500 deliveries in Q3 and 7500 in Q4). We could have seen the stock continue it’s trek into the 200s to 300 over the next several months.

However, Tesla experienced production constraints greater than investor expectations and was hit with a few fires. Now, the exuberance has turned to anxiety, fear, and a depression of sorts. Rather than focusing on the potential of the company (which exuberance does), the focus has turned to the risks. What if people don’t buy Tesla’s cars because of these fires? What if another fire happens? What if Tesla doesn’t adequately address this 3rd fire? Etc.

On Depression

When depression hits, it only is accentuating the risks that were already present during the times of exuberance. Or sometimes the risks that were already there are just realized to a certain extent (ie., 3rd fire). During exuberant times, risks are often overshadowed and overlooked because there isa stream of good news like growing demand, awards, and growing belief in the company’s long-term prospects.

It’s extremely difficult to accurately assess the risks during times of exuberance because often exuberance is contagious. One can look at the past charts and price history and see that the stock is rising and will continue to rise. The greater/longer the trend, the more confident people feel about the present. However, we need to be careful during extended exuberant times. The reason is because during exuberant times investors are extracting future potential/earnings of the company further down the road than they normally would if the exuberance wasn’t there. Meaning, if the exuberance disappears then investors no longer extract as much future potential/earnings of the company into the present stock price. And this leads to downward pressure.

Handle with caution

When a stock rises on extended exuberance, I’m not suggesting to completely stay away from the stock. But I think you need to handle it with caution. The reason to not completely stay away is because the exuberance can continue for a very long time, much longer than one expects. All it means is that investors are extracting more and more future value into the present. As long as the company is growing fast, then it will likely eventually meet or beat those expectations and justify the stock price even without the exuberance extraction of future potential. But the reason to handle with care is because the exuberance can be reversed if the company misses a step or a few steps in a row. Investors don’t extract the same amount of future value into the present and the stock price contracts.

The stellar company

The great thing about investing in a stellar company is even if the stock goes through a period of depression it will return to exuberance at some point. The reason being is because the stellar company is growing at a very fast growth rate (ie., 100% annual rate with TSLA) and when a few months pass, often the company has already grown their revenue 20%. Another quarter passes and their revenue is 20% higher than the previous quarter. At some point, people realize there depression (or overly focusing on the risks) is unjustified and they’re drawn into the potential of the company once again. This starts the exuberance period again. And as long as the company can surpass investor expectations, the exuberance will likely continue until the company can no longer beat investor expectations. Then, a period of depression can ensue.

These periods of exuberance and depression can be very short or very long. But with a high-growth stellar company, the periods of exuberance tend to out shadow the periods of depression. The is due to the fact that the stellar company’s potential eventually shines through the depression periods by posting some kind of exciting news (ie., accelerating revenue, earnings, demand, market size, etc.).

So to recap, during times of extended exuberance one should be aware that the exuberance can end and turn to depression and the extracted future value that investors are adding into the present stock price can be retracted. It doesn’t mean to stay totally away; it just means handle with caution.

Assessing a company

Now during times of depression, it can be difficult to know what to do because the risks surrounding the company are often highlighted and focused on. Usually during times of depression most investors want to stay away from the stock (or short it). But at some point, the value of the company becomes attractive again to the investors who believe in the company. In other words, enough of the future value that was extracted into the present is retracted back to the future so the stock price becomes appealing once again to savvy investors looking for value and an attractive opportunity to get into a stock that will return to its high-flying days at some point.

During times of depression, it’s also important to assess if the company’s fundamentals have weakened in a significant manner or not. If the company’s long-term prospects have been fundamentally altered in a negative way, then the downward pressure of the stock is not just the result of depression but it’s the result of a true downtrend where the fundamentals are driving the downward pressure of the stock, not just sentiment. In that case, the stock can go to lows beyond what most people might expect. It can be a long road down, and you probably don’t want to be on it.

Some of the greatest investment decisions have been made by investing in stellar companies that are going through a period of depression. Not only do you get to invest in a stellar company, but you are able to do it with a steep discount.

The battle of investing

One of the fundamental ideas behind investing is to buy something today that people will want more in the future. That way it’s worth more later. This is why when you buy a stellar company during a time of depression, you’re betting that because it’s a stellar company the exuberance will return at some point and people will want to own a part of that company a lot more than they do right now.

In a way, great investing can be psychological warfare. If you’re going to invest in stellar company during periods of depression, you must overcome the fears, doubts, real risks, and uncertainty that is prevalent during the period of depression. That’s not easy. One key skill that can help is to develop a system where you can come up with valuations on your own, not relying on analysts and others. Meaning, you can look at a company’s financials and determine what you are willing to pay for the company if you were to buy the company outright. Normally, this entails looking at their revenue, margins, growth rate, earnings, addressable market, competitive advantage, etc. to come up with a sum of money you’d be willing to purchase the company for (note: the challenge is most people use over-simplified methods and aren’t very good at this). Now when you do this, you want to reach a sum that is fair to both sides. Now, armed with this valuation you are able to enter the battlefield. If the company’s market cap is significantly lower than the amount you’re willing to purchase the company for, then it becomes a candidate to buy shares. Of course, there are other factors in making a decision but at least now you’re armed with numbers as you evaluate the market cap of a stellar company you have your eyes on, and this can help you pull the trigger during the turbulent periods of depression surrounding a stock.

Coming up with your own valuations is not easy. In fact, I’m not sure most people have the skills or discipline to do it effectively. That’s why the risks of investing are amplified for most people. Personally, I learned the example of this method from Warren Buffett. He says that his hobby is reading annual reports and he’ll read through hundreds (or thousands) every year. He’s looking for a business that he understands and that is being valued significantly under his own constructed valuation given on the company. But he’s not looking for a ton of them. He’s got very high standards and is looking for that 1 out of 1,000 company, and will keep searching until he finds it. That's part of what makes him a great investor.

Last Words

Periods of depression and exuberance are normal parts of the experience of investing. Don’t be surprised by either, but rather be prepared. When in periods of exuberance, be aware of the risks involved. And when in periods of depression, don’t forget the potential of a stellar company whose long-term fundamentals are in tact.
Thanks a lot DaveT... I also bought back in today with what remaining money I had around the $136-$137 area. I wish I had been able to pull the trigger at $132 but I was tight on cash and had to wait until my CSIQ options got sold.
I was really highly invested going into Q3 because I felt that with the ~$30 from the ATH, the expectations had subsided enough that Tesla had an opportunity to beat expectations. Unfortunately, I didn't take into account the proper probabilities of them not providing 2014 guidance, which is what caused most of the $20 drop in my opinion. Then, I should have stuck with my rules and gotten out at market open but instead I kept on hoping that the stock would revert because it was an overreaction.
Anyway, I basically lost about 50% of my portfolio value in the last 3 days. But on the bright side, I still have the remaining 50% because I hedged a little bit with making some of my OTM call options risk-free spreads, and keeping ~30% of my investments in solar (thanks sleepy for telling me about CSIQ).
Today however I felt that the recent drop in Tesla, combined with my more in-depth understanding of Tesla vs. the solar companies meant that I personally had a better risk/reward profile with Tesla. I moved over most of my money into slightly longer term (for me at least) OTM options (march and June), keeping a minimal amount in the solar companies, and the shorter term OTM options I had initially pre-earnings (which then were ITM). Hopefully we see a good rally next week some point and I can offload those so that they aren't a complete wash.
I think this reaction is overdone and I'm sure that once Q4 results are announced we will be back in the high flying mode. I'll be happy at $180, which I think is fair value.

I really appreciate your work. Thanks for teaching us newbies to keep calm :)
 
When in periods of exuberance, be aware of the risks involved. And when in periods of depression, don’t forget the potential of a stellar company whose long-term fundamentals are in tact.
Since I bailed out of my LEAPS yesterday, I could be said the be a victim of the depression part, but I've got some significant tax reason for making the loss happen this calendar year in addition to not really believing the stock is going to recover significantly any time soon. My intent is to get 2016 LEAPS once I'm past the wash sale rule waiting period.

As for fundamentals, my only concern is around the fires. I have a nagging feeling this is going to cause an issue. After the first, Elon noted the average is 1 in 20 million miles driven and Tesla had 150 million miles. Well, we've had 3 now, all Model S (no Roadster) and in rapid succession. And while it's hard to find any definitive numbers, the LEAF and Volt don't seem to have suffered battery fires from undercarriage hits.

NHTSA will do their thing and we'll find out what they think, but even if Tesla has 1 fire every 40-50 million miles, with 25000 Model S on the road that's once every couple months (1000 miles a month per car).

That's the only fundamental I'm worried about. Aside from the potential cost of a redesign and recall (voluntary or otherwise) should that be required, the public perception and its impact on demand is part of the fundamentals. If Tesla has another couple fires in the next month, which isn't statistically improbable at 1 in 50M miles, I'm worried demand may evaporate fairly quickly. Probably not enough to go under 25k a year, but it may really sap guidance for the next year or more.

All simply supposition right now, but it's part of why I'm in a wait and see on the report from the fires when it comes to deciding whether Tesla's fundamentals are unchanged.
 
I really don't like the whole fire argument. The second fire shouldn't even be considered. My guess is that if you would have slammed an ICE into the concrete wall like that guy did it probably would have caught fire too and it is doubtful that anybody would have survived. I view the fire in Mexico as a very positive testimony for the car.

That being said two of the fires are something that an average person could encounter in their normal commute. We all have run over something on the highway that we were unable to avoid. And like others have said it would be nice to know how many things have been run over that did not result in a fire.

For example the video of the tractor and trailer that crashed through the barrier and flipped into oncoming traffic then out of the dust cloud appears a Model S obviously bouncing around from driving over large concrete pieces from the barrier and it never burst into flames.

IMO the fire thing is being blown way out of proportion. But Tesla does need to address it to set everyone's mind at ease.
 
I tried to post this yesterday and either I didn't hit the correct buttons or you chose to not post it. If you dont want to post this can you please let me know why?

Thanks for the post, pics and explanation. Just fyi, I don't have any control over the replies on this thread as I don't have any moderator privileges.

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I don't think so, Q4 is when people should expect 2014 guidance. I don't think Tesla provided 2013 guidance in Q3 2012.

Tesla has had given guidance for 2012 and 2013 very early on (I know for sure in early 2012 but perhaps even in 2011). Originally it was 5000 for 2012 and 20000 for 2013. They lowered 2012 guidance in the fall of 2012 to 2500 to 3000 but kept the 20k for 2013. They've also made references to 2014 production goals in various investor presentations dating back probably to 2011. Their stated goals were (IIRC) something like 35k in 2014 but that included Model S/X. Since postponing Model X, Tesla hasn't given any formal 2014 guidance numbers but has alluded to demand numbers. Various analysts have been plugging in different delivery numbers for 2014, from as low as 30k vehicles to as high as 40k vehicles. However, there's a huge discrepancy between 30k and 40k vehicles, especially in the resulting growth rate and also on 2015 projections. This is one of them main reasons why 2014 guidance was so important to give and why so many people were waiting for tangible numbers. It's because with the production constraints it's unclear if Tesla can deliver 30k cars (or even less) or even the can deliver 35k cars or even 40k cars. So, going into Q3 ER the stock was in a state of limbo hanging on to what Elon and co. might say about 2014 guidance. If no specific numbers were given, then at least investor expectations were to hear some tangible numbers about production goals or demand goals for 2014. However, none were given. As a result, disappointment ensued and there's a general state of waiting/limbo regarding how fast Tesla will be able to ramp production and how far into 2014 will they experience production constraints.

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Dave, what is your expectation on premium for the Jan '16 LEAPs on Monday, and do you expect the premium to go up or down? One would think when they get introduced there will be pent-up demand driving the price up?
Also, does it make any difference in premium how far they are OTM? For example, will the 190 premium be higher, lower, or about the same as the 170 calls?

Compared Jan 15 LEAPs, you'll get less leverage with the Jan 16 LEAPs because there more time value. So, let's say with ATM Jan 15 calls you get 4x leverage (ie., a $140 call costs 1/4 or $35), then for Jan 16 calls you might get a bit less than 3x leverage or so (ie., a $140 Jan 2016 call might cost 1/3 or $47). But this is really rough math and we'll see how they're priced on Monday. Since Jan 16 will cost more than Jan 15 for the same strike call, it makes sense to choose further OTM calls for Jan 16 then what you'd choose for Jan 15 calls, so you can take advantage of more leverage that OTM calls give. The other factor is with 2016 LEAPs, the bid/ask spread might be quite large especially when it starts to trade.
 
Since Jan 16 will cost more than Jan 15 for the same strike call, it makes sense to choose further OTM calls for Jan 16 then what you'd choose for Jan 15 calls, so you can take advantage of more leverage that OTM calls give. The other factor is with 2016 LEAPs, the bid/ask spread might be quite large especially when it starts to trade.

Precisely- I'm a LEAP investor (coupled with some stock position) on growth companies like TSLA, AAPL, SCTY etc. and agree with DaveT - on a Jan16, 2 year time frame use OTM calls (I use about half the expected growth over that time)- and as Dave says the bid/ask will indeed be larger than you might be accustomed to; my advice:
never pay the ask, always limit the offer underneath it and move up until filled, and don't think of J16 LEAPS as a highly trade-able (you lose too much on the spread)- instead buy these on the very long term part of your investment strategy. As such think of them as 100 TSLA shares (per contract) of stock rather than loading up equivalent $s to the stock replacement (equate TSLA shares tracking via Delta rather than $s in);

Thanks for your post Dave- excellent advice!
 
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;

If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;

If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;

If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

Rudyard Kipling (written 1895 - published 1910)
 
Various analysts have been plugging in different delivery numbers for 2014, from as low as 30k vehicles to as high as 40k vehicles. However, there's a huge discrepancy between 30k and 40k vehicles, especially in the resulting growth rate and also on 2015 projections. This is one of them main reasons why 2014 guidance was so important to give and why so many people were waiting for tangible numbers.

It appears that 2014 (and 2015) numbers depend a lot on factors external to Tesla. For example, they depend on when *exactly* supplier constraints are lifted. Also, once constraints are resolved, sales will depend more and more on actual demand, which can go up and down each week, based on global developments which are difficult to predict. While I can understand that some people place a lot of value on the difference between 30k and 40k (apparently because they try to extrapolate the exponential factor of Tesla's growth), I personally think that these exact numbers depend on factors which are *not* very important for Tesla's future.

So it might be unwise for Tesla to try give guidance at this point, no matter how much people would like to plug these numbers into their spreadsheets, since any guidance could easily be wrong as actual numbers depend heavily on external factors and their fluctuations. Long term, this would only cause investors to lose confidence in guidance numbers. If this interpretation is correct, then it will be better to give guidance only once the various factors have a more predictable value.
 
(This in response to Sleepyhead’s recent megapost titled “TSLA is Cheap? Still Not Buying”)

First off, I want to thank Sleepyhead for taking the time to share his latest thoughts on TSLA. I thought it was a very good run down on the current risks associated with TSLA. If you haven’t read it, make sure to read it here.

While I agree that TSLA is in a volatile and vulnerable state after a confusing Q3 ER and a second debris fire, I want to share my views on the risks at hand.

I currently see TSLA as somewhat range-bound after Q3 ER since TSLA didn’t give clear FY 2014 guidance nor did they give specific details on how and when they will be able to ramp production. As a result, immediately following Q3 ER I was expecting TSLA to be range-bound in the 140-190 area until there is tangible news that production constraints have been meaningfully lifted and that they will be able to raise production. However, the 2nd debris fire was an unexpected negative catalyst that shifted sentiment further negatively. As a result, I currently view the trading range of TSLA to be 135-180. A negative catalyst could drop it lower than 135, but also a positive catalyst that shows that TSLA is ramping production could raise the stock price above 180 and to new ATHs.

On the negative risk side, I see another fire and a broader market correction as the main risks to TSLA. However, I personally don’t view these risks as that great. They just don’t seem like events that have a great likelihood of happening soon. Further, during times of negative/pessimistic sentiment often risks such as these are over-emphasized and this keeps many people on the sidelines. I also see a potential recall as another risk, but I think Tesla would approach it in a way that is intelligent and convincing and would have minimal negative impact on the stock if any.

On the positive side, when Tesla gives some tangible signs that they’ve overcome battery/supplier constraints and are able to ramp production faster then the stock will trend higher and TSLA will no longer be range-bound. Currently, it seems like many people think that this won’t happen for at least another 2-3 months (ie., Q4 ER). However, I think there’s a high likelihood that we’ll learn Tesla is overcoming production constraints sooner than expected. One example is the Nov 7th note sent by Dougherty that said seemed to be quoting Tesla:

"Tesla is production constrained at present because the factory is still ramping. Tesla is not cell constrained right now and won't be for another three to four years. Tesla has ample battery supply available to double and even triple current production. That was unclear on the call and we did not make it clear in our conversations with investors this week.”

More and more signs like this will likely appear in the coming month or two. It’s too difficult to know exactly when investors will be convinced that Tesla has overcome their production constraints, but I would argue that it appears that Tesla might already be further along their roadmap to scale production than what many people think. As a result, I wouldn’t expect to wait until Q4 ER (ie., mid-late Feb) for investors to learn about Tesla’s production constraints being overcome.

As a result, I think believers in Tesla who are waiting on the sidelines right now before getting back in the stock are carrying their own risks of waiting too long as the stock recovers from it’s low of the low-130s. Sure, TSLA might be range-bound until we find out more about them overcoming production constraints. But who’s to say that we’ll be the first ones to learn about that. Large institutions and analysts often have access to Tesla’s management and could pick up hints before us and could be adding positions while we wait for some big news to hit.

When TSLA was in the 130s I had very little reservation in recommending people to buy back in or to add to their long-term buy-and-hold position. As TSLA recovers and heads into the 150s and higher, it becomes less clear because I do acknowledge the risks of negative catalysts and also the reality of being range-bound until we find out more about Tesla overcoming production constraints. Personally, I really liked buying in the sub-135 area because the price is below my expected trading range of 135-180 and it is just above the very strong resistance level of 133 that’s been tested several times. Further, even if it breaks 133 I personally don’t see TSLA hitting 100 (unless something fundamentally changes about their long-term prospects) because I think it becomes too great a value as it goes under 130 to reach the 100 level.
 
Thank you for a great post DaveT, I missed the note sent by Dougherty. However I wonder why they wrote: "Tesla is not cell constrained right now and won't be for another three to four years" Does this mean they will be in 3-4 years? :)
I guess this is when the GEN3 comes out, and I really do hope they figure out how to get enough batteries.

Also, when there is a fire, TMC goes bananas. Since alot of journalist, investors and shorters read TMC, do you think this site might helping the shorters by debating it to that scale that we do?
 
Dave, what are some OTM Jan '16 call strikes you like that in your opinion have decent premiums? I was hoping yesterday for the 160's to trade at $30 but they're now going for $35. Is that a big difference in your mind, or does it not matter since they have more than 2 years before expiration?

Would you recommend a strategy buying multiple strikes now over putting all into one level and adjusting later when needed?
 
Dave, what are some OTM Jan '16 call strikes you like that in your opinion have decent premiums? I was hoping yesterday for the 160's to trade at $30 but they're now going for $35. Is that a big difference in your mind, or does it not matter since they have more than 2 years before expiration?

Would you recommend a strategy buying multiple strikes now over putting all into one level and adjusting later when needed?

Jan 16 call max out at 175 strike right now which is a lower strike than what I'd prefer. It all depends on your risk tolerance. Stock is definitely a much safer bet but with Jan 16 calls you get more leverage than stock but the stock must be above the strike price (and what you paid for the call) to avoid a complete loss. That said, I prefer holding various strike levels and since they're in a non-tax-deferred account I plan to hold them for at least a year. In terms of specific strikes, the bid/ask spread is quite large so you want to compare the various strikes and go for what make sense to you. The large bid/ask spread makes these Jan 16 calls not a short-term play but a long-term one.
 
I would have done $250-$300 on Jan16 normally- but took about half position in $170s yesterday - I'll have to roll them up later as the higher strikes come out. My normal method on LEAPS is to take what I think the stock will be in half the time ($250 in 14 months) then take that strike and adjust as performance dictates- I rarely hold them to expiration, rolling them up and out - the goal being to capture the time value into the intrinsic maximizing at ATM. I'll usually create my own bull spread with both time (holding J15 and J16) and strike (currently $170 - $250(J15) - $300(J15)) - The J15s are currently underwater of course, but sometime between now and next summer I'll roll them out to J16. Rarely holding LEAPS that are less than 6 months from expiration. This is effectively a stock replacement for me (I hold some stock behind these). Inn a way it is a risk reduction strategy as the $s I invest are much less that I would in the stock (I equate shares held and tracked via Delta).
 
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