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Articles re Tesla—Fact or Fiction?

Discussion in 'TSLA Investor Discussions' started by Robert.Boston, Mar 10, 2015.

  1. JRP3

    JRP3 Hyperactive Member

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    Your bias causes you to miss the point, typically. When we know the facts about Elon and Tesla we can see the deception in the media when they are innacurate. When we know the facts about "other" matters and they match up with what the media is reporting we know they are accurate.
     
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  2. EVNow

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    Do you mean "some" members of the media are dishonest ? Or did you mean ALL members of the media are dishonest ?

    This is exactly what I'm talking about … you have to be careful.

    Just say "media that is dishonest" or "journalists who are dishonest".

    OT : When Trump says media is the enemy of the people, his base cheers. But they never think it includes Fox News ! I wonder why ...
     
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  3. Buddyroe

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    Apparently, it is YOUR bias that has blinded you because I HATE Donald Trump and LOVE Tesla/EM. I not only own TSLA stock, I own a Tesla Model S. Do you? What bias are you referring to?

    I was just blessed to be born with the ability to be objective - a trait I rarely see in people. And absolutely never in your posts.

    PS. Everyone believes what they "know" to be fact. Your facts aren't necessarily right because you believe they are. I know that's difficult for you to believe or accept (or even consider). You are no different than the idiots I argue with in the comments section of Fox News articles. They are convinced that what they believe and "know" is 100%, total facts. Like you, they know everything they will ever know because they already believe they know everything.
     
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  4. EVNow

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    You don't have to read my posts. Just correlate when there is an outburst on Twitter by Trump and recently published negative report on his administration in high profile media. Funny how Trump picked up a phrase made famous by Stalin.

    BTW, this is what Trump himself said about why he attacks media.

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/trump-fake-news-leslie-stahl

     
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  5. AudubonB

    AudubonB Mild-mannered Moderator Lord Vetinari*

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    Joe Nocera's survey article in Bloomberg at year's end is pretty hard. In concert with the article's title: Trump, Musk, Ghosn and other tragedies: 2018 in Review, he pillories Mr Musk because...why? Seems to be because he's no longer Board Chmn. Nocera was incapable of finding any accomplishments to weigh against that.
     
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  6. dmckinstry

    dmckinstry Model S - U.S. P - #1649

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    Yes. But EVNow is correct in saying that the statement "dishonest media" could be interpreted as saying that all media is dishonest.
    Unless you wish it interpreted that way you need to remove the ambiguity. E.g. the dishonest part of the media.
     
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    Saying "members" differentiates from the media in general.
     
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    I didn't mention Trump, but typically you jumped to a conclusion, in your oh so "objective" manner, and went off on a rant, as usual.
    I always look at the facts and am quite capable of changing my opinion in the face of new information.
     
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    I do like talking about this, but, because it's normally taboo and with people paying less attention, please ignore any extra bite in anything I write... glad to be able to discuss it with folks like you here at TMC EVnow.

    Can't believe how much I can disagree with your first paragraph and how much I can agree with the second paragraph all at once.

    Much of the media tried to discredit Elon by trying to convince the public his criticism was equivalent to Trump's. Guess what... if Bernie criticizes the media, they'll probably write about "his Trump-like ego issues." What's more I saw at least one article (NYT IIRC) asserting that Musk was talking about making himself the arbiter of 'good/bad' journalism like an old school dictator, when his actual idea was crowd sourced public rating.
     
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    If the errors were oversights, that approach could work.

    After watching Tesla/Elon media coverage (and Bernies as well for that matter) I'm extremely confident that in the overwhelming majority of cases these are not errors... but willful trolling, attempts to deeply erode publics sentiment and confidence in Elon, Tesla, and their products.

    Advising the Tesla comms team to do a point by point rebuttal of wrong articles would be like telling a kid being bullied and beat up at school to tell those hitting him, "fellas, when you punch me it hurts and I feel insecure about being here at school... you know, bad stuff... so, stuff you guys should stop doing."
     
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  11. SteveG3

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    After nearly 7 years watching all of this escalate, I'm about 99.95% confident it is not simply "entertainment" "click-bait" distortion.

    Given the amount of money at stake in Tesla's almost certain disruption, given the amount of ridiculously twisted coverage we see from the shabby to the once thought of as respectable

    -like 60 Minutes editing Elon's meaning by snipping video, or,

    -the NYT actually setting up some quotes from Mark Spiegel by writing that unlike some rabid people on twitter, Spiegel is a staid, seasoned and measured investor (pretty much as if the NYT had done Trump's work for him and written that Trump's greatest strength was his temperament)).

    Given awareness of all of that, I think one would have to be a conspiracy theorist to claim that Tesla's media coverage was simply generic, click-bait influenced contemporary media coverage, and not impacted by game-playing to try to please massive concentrated wealth.
     
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    Take a look through their twitter feeds through the whole Tesla bankruptcy "reefer madness" of last spring. Unless the editor's have the reigns of their twitter feed, they are not simply having their work twisted by editors.
     
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    Tesla had it's 2019 avg EPS numbers TRIPLED by the 20 plus analyts covering it in a matter of 2-4 months. I'm skeptical as to whether any company with a market cap of Tesla's scale ($40 billion at the low point of that period) has seen that happen before. If it has happened, I'm willing to bet that feat of avg forward year EPS being tripled had a torrent of positive coverage... because that is a sensational scale of upward revision for any company, and an ubersensational scale for an already quite large company.

    I am not aware of ANY mainstream media coverage of that event. I don't buy even a little bit the notion that the quality of Tesla's media coverage is simply a product of media sensationalism for clicks.
     
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  14. SteveG3

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    Kara's relevant comments in the recode interview were painful to listen to.

    She knee-jerkingly acted as if journalists were by default to be believed rather than anyone questioning any of the statements they've blared through their massive loudspeakers. That is "Trumpian" itself. She then implored Elon to reflect on his behavior after having exhibited not a scintilla of self-reflection about the ridiculously glaring, many years long, intellectually dishonest coverage of Tesla by so many in her knee-jerk defended profession.
     
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  15. SteveG3

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    last bit on all of this for today



    • Donald Trump
    • The majority of corporate media
    • Elon Musk

    two out of three of the above are flooding the public conversation with a massive amount of bullshit on basically a daily basis.
     
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  16. JRP3

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    I agree with everything else you've written on this topic other than the above. When Elon/Tesla have released statements the media has picked it up and spread the message. Unlike a weak kid Elon/Tesla have power, I think they should use it more.
     
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    AudubonB Mild-mannered Moderator Lord Vetinari*

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    Did that indeed happen? Can you reference it?
     
  18. SteveG3

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    exactly as published including these two paragraphs coming in sequence, the second of the two being the first mention of Spiegel (link below),

    “There’s no doubt Tesla and Mr. Musk, the company’s high-profile chief executive, have plenty of detractors, especially on Twitter, where some critics trumpet vitriol and unsubstantiated information about the company and its business. But many of those who believe that Tesla is destined for a major restructuring — or even collapse — are buttoned-up investors. They base their view not on antipathy for Tesla or Mr. Musk, but on cold financial calculations, including its heavy debt load and voracious cash burn.

    “This isn’t only about Musk,” said Mark B. Spiegel, a managing partner at Stanphyl Capital, which has a large position shorting Tesla. “It’s about a terrible capital structure, because of the debt, and a stock price that is out of whack with the demand for the product and the competition that’s coming in.””

    Betting Against Tesla: Short-Sellers Make Their Case


    don’t forget, in the years since th me NYT’s Public Editor had to investigate and find “problems with precision and judgement” in John Broder’s NYT story of being stranded with a Model S out of juice,

    1. The public editor position was eliminated at the NYT

    2. Broder was promoted to the NYT editorial board.
     
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  19. PeterK

    PeterK Model X & 3 Owner

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    In addition, just the idea that a guy who manages a few million dollars out of his apartment (a recent article showed him working on his laptop in the bathroom), and loses money at it, should been given press time and interviews as if he’s some kind of authority just bewilders me. Really?
     
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  20. Mader Levap

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    Basically, many journalists think they are sacred cows that shouldn't be criticized and if you do it, you are automatically rabid Trump supporter.

    This attitude... is not helpful.
     
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