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As U.S. retreats, EU and China seek climate leadership at summit

Discussion in 'Energy, Environment, and Policy' started by voyager, Jun 1, 2017.

  1. hpartsch

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    #21 hpartsch, Jun 2, 2017
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    I find it interesting how so few people in support of this agreement actually read any of the documents pertaining to it. The accord and many of the documents available are fairly easy to find with a simple google search. After reading some of the accord -- wow, I am even more displeased with it, It's a joke. Read this below, this is a clear redistribution of wealth. One must wonder why we are not trying to spend this money here in the US for solar, EVs infrastructure etc (rather than essentially prioritizing the funding for developing countries).

    This statement below from the accord really gets me good. Countries can say -- We can't afford this actually. Sorry, let's let the US pick up a bigger portion of the costs.

    "A Party may at any time adjust its existing nationally determined contribution with a view to enhancing its level of ambition, in accordance with guidance adopted by the Conference of the Parties serving as the meeting of the Parties to this Agreement."


    Strategies and approaches for scaling up long-term finance from USA
    http://unfccc.int/files/documentation/submissions_from_parties/application/pdf/cop_suf_usa_07102013.pdf

    Apparently gender has a lot to do with climate change too?!
    http://unfccc.int/files/documentation/submissions_from_parties/application/pdf/cop_gender_usa_09092013.pdf

    The actual accord:
    http://unfccc.int/files/meetings/paris_nov_2015/application/pdf/paris_agreement_english_.pdf
     
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    facts, reality are like kryptonite to the supporters of the leftist agenda
     
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  3. McRat

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    It's a fallacy to believe that the US has not been a leader in the green movement that is perpetuated by those who can profit from that misinformation.

    The US does not need the UN to direct our allocation of green resources. If anything, the UN/Paris accord reduces the amount of tax dollars available to focus our resources where they have the most effect.

    Supporting the UN/Paris accord could in fact lead to dirtier air and more CO2. It is only an assumption that the US is willing to tax their workers more to support green efforts in countries that emit very little CO2, or reduce the domestic 'green budget' in favor of lessor effects overseas.
     
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    Something to note. It is entirely plausible that the UN/Paris accord could reduce EV incentives due to budget decisions.

    Raise your hand if you think reducing affordable US EVs is going to help the environment.
     
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  5. ecarfan

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    The conservative columnist David Brooks wrote today in his article "Trump Poisons the World", quote:
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    "[The withdrawal from Paris is part of] the great act of moral decoupling woven through this presidency. In this worldview, morality has nothing to do with anything. Altruism, trust, cooperation and virtue are unaffordable luxuries in the struggle of all against all. Everything is about self-interest.

    We’ve seen this philosophy before, of course. Powerful, selfish people have always adopted this dirty-minded realism to justify their own selfishness. The problem is that this philosophy is based on an error about human beings and it leads to self-destructive behavior in all cases.

    The error is that it misunderstands what drives human action. Of course people are driven by selfish motivations — for individual status, wealth and power. But they are also motivated by another set of drives — for solidarity, love and moral fulfillment — that are equally and sometimes more powerful.

    People are wired to cooperate. Far from being a flimsy thing, the desire for cooperation is the primary human evolutionary advantage we have over the other animals.

    People have a moral sense. They have a set of universal intuitions that help establish harmony between peoples. From their first moments, children are wired to feel each other’s pain. You don’t have to teach a child about what fairness is; they already know. There’s no society on earth where people are admired for running away in battle or for lying to their friends.

    People have moral emotions. They feel rage at injustice, disgust toward greed, reverence for excellence, awe before the sacred and elevation in the face of goodness."
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  6. ShockOnT

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    I think you just like arguing for arguments sake. Not helpful at all. Goodbye.
     

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