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Audio: Testing audio formats

Rodolfo Paiz

Fidelius Family Office
Nov 19, 2012
788
108
Miami, FL
Has anyone used a 128GB USB flash drive successfully? I have a Kingston G2 and it's being ignored completely when I insert it. 64GB works for me (same brand and product line), but not 128GB.
 

aaronw

Member
Dec 19, 2012
292
0
United States
ALAC is the Apple Lossless Audio Codec. Flac (Free Lossless Audio Codec) is probably a bit better supported since it is an open standard. Android supports it as standard and it is typically well supported by open source software. Encoding flac is a lot faster than ALAC.
 

Merrill

Merrill
Jan 23, 2013
3,629
1,222
Sonoma, California
Would it be possible for someone who is driving a MS and using a flash drive and has a Mac for music to take a screen shot of what the format looks like when you download your music from the flash drive to the touch screen. Maybe someone can help me with getting my music into the MS. Do not have the car yet but trying to have some music ready when I do get it. I took some of my CD's and ripped them into iTunes. When I plug in my flash drive it comes up on my desktop, I tried to export my library to the flash drive but when I access the music it comes up in a spreadsheet and there is nothing you can do with it. Then I tried to drag the albums to the flash drive and that seem to work. But obviously cannot see the format that would show up in the MS. I know there are many of you out there that are very IT savvy, so if anyone could help it would be appreciated.

Merrill
 
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Al Sherman

It's about THIS car.
Nov 29, 2012
1,687
4
Batesville, IN
Would it be possible for someone who is driving a MS and using a flash drive and has a Mac for music to take a screen shot of what the format looks like when you download your music from the flash drive to the touch screen. Maybe someone can help me with getting my music into the MS. Do not have the car yet but trying to have some music ready when I do get it. I took some of my CD's and ripped them into iTunes. When I plug in my flash drive it comes up on my desktop, I tried to export my library to the flash drive but when I access the music it comes up in a spreadsheet and there is nothing you can do with it. Then I tried to drag the albums to the flash drive and that seem to work. But obviously cannot see the format that would show up in the MS. I know there are many of you out there that are very IT savvy, so if anyone could help it would be appreciated.
Merrill

Sounds as though you got it. I'm not sure it matters how you put the albums on the flash drive. ON the MS audio screen you will choose "my devices"and then "usb drive." Then you can get a list by album, song, or artist but only in alphabetical order by what is on the usb. No shuffle, or playlist. Hopefully this is coming.
 

dtich

#P708
May 31, 2012
427
2
Los Angeles
has anyone tried an ssd drive, say 256GB, in a usb enclosure? is there a possibility this will work, or is there a linux/tm file system limitation happening here? i tried a western digital passport drive (platter), won't work. i'd like to get more music than the thumb drives will hold in the s. so, ssd, anyone? i have a few lying around and thought i could just throw one in an enclosure and try that.

also, my library is apple lossless. has been for years. ain't gonna change now. i can't see why tm won't support alac, unless apple charges a ton for licensing which would be stupid on their part, but i don't know.. i do know my transporter/slim devices server (now logitech) serves up alac just fine. i did try mass converting a chunk of my lib to flac to test but haven't found a combo that works yet. loathe to buy a big thumb drive when i have so many ssd's here already. my library is probably 300GBs, would be great to have it all....

thanks for thoughts.
 

Rodolfo Paiz

Fidelius Family Office
Nov 19, 2012
788
108
Miami, FL
Has anyone used a 128GB USB flash drive successfully? I have a Kingston G2 and it's being ignored completely when I insert it. 64GB works for me (same brand and product line), but not 128GB.

Turns out my 128GB flash drive was formatted with exFAT, which the Model S can't read. The Model S can read FAT32, which is capable of volumes up to 2TB... but Windows is deliberately crippled and won't format a drive in FAT32 if it's > 32GB. Found a third-party format tool, reformatted my 128GB flash drive with FAT32, put all my music back on it, and Bob's your uncle.

My thanks to someone on another thread who explained the solution to me.
 

Adstein

Member
Dec 29, 2011
76
0
New York
Has anyone used a 128GB USB flash drive successfully? I have a Kingston G2 and it's being ignored completely when I insert it. 64GB works for me (same brand and product line), but not 128GB.

Sandisk worked intermittently for me. I think the problem was its length meant that it would jostle in the plug.
 

Al Sherman

It's about THIS car.
Nov 29, 2012
1,687
4
Batesville, IN
Thanks Al, I guess I will have to get the car to see if it works.


My pleasure. It should work. If it doesn't, check back here and these smart people will get it up and running. Lots of really smart computer folks on this forum.

Incidentally, you know you can play the same format from your iPhone over bluetooth in the car at the same relative quality? If you're just copying MP3's from iTunes you might as well play them from the phone. This will also allow true random shuffling, playlist playback. Unfortunately (for now at least) controlled from the phone with the exception of Pause, Play and Forward or Reverse.

I think the reason people are using flash drives is to get the better (Lossless) formats. Everyone seems to agree that FLAC works on the MS. I've been playing with it and at first I didn't really think I heard a difference.Many friends who have listened to the exact track over the phone and then from the usb in FLAC format think the difference is very obvious. A lot of the audiophiles on here say that the upgraded sound is designed for these Lossless formats.

Jerry33 turned me on to a program called MAX earlier in this thread that will rip your actual CD's into the FLAC format and then you can just drop the created folders on the usb stick. It worked well for me (OS10.7.5) and is very easy to use. You DO need the actual CD's as I'm pretty sure it can't "upgrade" a format from iTunes.
 

dsm363

Roadster + Sig Model S
May 17, 2009
18,278
151
Nevada
I've been ripping everything in ALAC now. Can MAX convert ALAC on my Mac to FLAC straight on the USB thumb drive? Doesn't look like the stable build has been updated since 2009.
 

jerry33

(S85-3/2/13 traded in) X LR: F2611##-3/27/20
Mar 8, 2012
19,516
21,710
Texas
You DO need the actual CD's as I'm pretty sure it can't "upgrade" a format from iTunes.

While it can't upgrade the format, if you have been importing CDs into iTunes using Apple Lossless, you can convert to FLAC with no loss of quality (and it's easier that sticking in a bunch of CDs).

- - - Updated - - -

Can MAX convert ALAC on my Mac to FLAC straight on the USB thumb drive?

Sure can. That's how I did it. It will even delete the mp3a for you on the thumb drive.
 

Merrill

Merrill
Jan 23, 2013
3,629
1,222
Sonoma, California
Ok, you guys have lost me. I hate to seems so clueless, but please explain the Max conversion from ALAC to FLAC. In my previous thread I mentioned ripping my CD's into iTunes then dragging them to the flash drive. I have lossless set up. (Al, I cannot seem to do this even right side up).
 

jerry33

(S85-3/2/13 traded in) X LR: F2611##-3/27/20
Mar 8, 2012
19,516
21,710
Texas
Ok, you guys have lost me. I hate to seems so clueless, but please explain the Max conversion from ALAC to FLAC. In my previous thread I mentioned ripping my CD's into iTunes then dragging them to the flash drive. I have lossless set up. (Al, I cannot seem to do this even right side up).

1. Put the thumb drive in the USB port on your Mac.

2. Open Finder.

2a. Navigate to Users->Merrill->Music->iTunes->iTunes Music. Here you will see a number of directories such as Books, Movies, Podcasts (which you don't want) and Compilations, Unknown Artist, and directories named after the artist or band which you do want.

2b. Copy the directories you want to the thumb drive. (Note be sure to copy, not move. A copy will show a green plus sign).

3. Open MAX

3a. In Max->Preferences select Format and choose FLAC.

3b. In Max->Preferences select Output and select the thumb drive. Check the Delete source files after encoding.

3c. Close the Preferences and select File->Convert files

3d. Use the + and select the directories on the thumb drive that you copied in step 2.

3e. Click the Convert icon in the file conversion screen.
 

interleaf2

Member
Dec 11, 2012
15
5
Mesa AZ
has anyone tried an ssd drive, say 256GB, in a usb enclosure? is there a possibility this will work, or is there a linux/tm file system limitation happening here? i tried a western digital passport drive (platter), won't work. i'd like to get more music than the thumb drives will hold in the s. so, ssd, anyone? i have a few lying around and thought i could just throw one in an enclosure and try that.

also, my library is apple lossless. has been for years. ain't gonna change now. i can't see why tm won't support alac, unless apple charges a ton for licensing which would be stupid on their part, but i don't know.. i do know my transporter/slim devices server (now logitech) serves up alac just fine. i did try mass converting a chunk of my lib to flac to test but haven't found a combo that works yet. loathe to buy a big thumb drive when i have so many ssd's here already. my library is probably 300GBs, would be great to have it all....

thanks for thoughts.
I haven't tried an SSD, but I am happily using a 1TB portable USB hard drive (platter) containing FLAC files. As long as you format the drive using FAT32 it should work. Most platters come with NTFS so you need to reformat them before using in the Model S. I have found no issues with car motion disturbing the disk drive and this option gives you a lot of space for relatively little cost ($70). The Model S can catalog the drive quickly and allows you to search a huge collection very easily. Just a shame it doesn't support the shuffle function.
 

dtich

#P708
May 31, 2012
427
2
Los Angeles
I haven't tried an SSD, but I am happily using a 1TB portable USB hard drive (platter) containing FLAC files. As long as you format the drive using FAT32 it should work. Most platters come with NTFS so you need to reformat them before using in the Model S. I have found no issues with car motion disturbing the disk drive and this option gives you a lot of space for relatively little cost ($70). The Model S can catalog the drive quickly and allows you to search a huge collection very easily. Just a shame it doesn't support the shuffle function.

huh. i tried this with a passport drive, 1TB, and it didn't mount. what brand are you using if i might ask?
 

interleaf2

Member
Dec 11, 2012
15
5
Mesa AZ
huh. i tried this with a passport drive, 1TB, and it didn't mount. what brand are you using if i might ask?

I am currently using a Buffalo MiniStation Stealth 1TB USB 2.0 Portable Hard Drive - HD-PCT1U2/BK. It was not recognized with the NTFS format but after I reformatted to FAT32 everything worked without a problem.
 

dsm363

Roadster + Sig Model S
May 17, 2009
18,278
151
Nevada
That's good to know.

Is "Apple Mpeg-4 audio" the same as ALAC? I'm guessing no. In which case I'll be inserting a lot of CD's.

I think it can be both ALAC and AAC.
Apple Lossless

you can do 'get info' and summary in iTunes and it tells you there. Also, look at file size. ~5-10MB for a normal length AAC song and probably 20MB+ for a ALAC song.
 

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