Australian federal Strategy on Electric Cars

[atj777]

PM says he won't force Australians out of their cars, as government launches its electric vehicle strategy

The federal government has announced its long-awaited strategy on electric cars — but it won't be setting a date for the country to go all-electric.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Wol747]

I note that:

>>Prime Minister Scott Morrison said he had no problem with electric vehicles, but he opposed governments telling people what to do.<<

The government tells people to do all sorts of things such as drive on the left, and, (undemocratically) vote!
Th brochure Morrison waved around like Chamberlain before jetting off to Glasgow is the biggest load of BS I have seen for some time and is seen as such by just about everyone.

 

[RSpanner]

The Government in the U.S. tells people what to do but it usually results in law suits and the deafening roar of " Don't tell me what to do, it's my freedumb"

 

[m4rtin]

ScoMo and co are blatantly incapable and some might say in the pocket of the mineral council.
Hoping the state governments see us through.

 

[Jacques10]

As the world surges ahead on electric vehicle policy, the Morrison government's new strategy leaves Australia idling in the garage

 

[meloccom]

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[paulp]

I note that:

>>Prime Minister Scott Morrison said he had no problem with electric vehicles, but he opposed governments telling people what to do.<<

The government tells people to do all sorts of things such as drive on the left, and, (undemocratically) vote!
Th brochure Morrison waved around like Chamberlain before jetting off to Glasgow is the biggest load of BS I have seen for some time and is seen as such by just about everyone.

To be fair any document prepared by any government starting with L is created by marketers and PR people who have zero knowledge of the subject matter, presented by a polly who typically knows even less and framed in a way that delivers not much. The purpose is to convince the audience that they are targetting, which is never those that know better.

 

[Gayle S]

I don't understand why this Government is not using cash incentives to encourage more affordable EV purchases, obviously if there was such a "cash" incentive, I would be getting a Model Y to go with my Model 3!

 

[paulp]

I don't understand why this Government is not using cash incentives to encourage more affordable EV purchases, obviously if there was such a "cash" incentive, I would be getting a Model Y to go with my Model 3!

The only incentive that is needed is to remove the “luxury“ car tax for all ev’s, even if its just for a few years….or at the very least increase the threshold

 

[Candleflame]

The only incentive that is needed is to remove the “luxury“ car tax for all ev’s, even if its just for a few years….or at the very least increase the threshold

thats not even an incentive bro, thats more a..... lack of a deincentive lol.

 

[Vostok]

It’s interesting that NSW now probably has the most significant EV incentives in the country. And you know which party is in Goverment here. Then again, Matt Kean is an unusually knowledgeable, insightful and capable Minister. I’ve asked to have a meeting with him on suburban on-street charging which is part of the Government’s EV plan, having done some amateur research as to feasible low-cost options for that. If I get punted to chat with a Departmental rep I’d still be happy with that.

As to the Federal Government “plan”… them standing on the sidelines and saying to everyone “you work it out” would be a polite description of it. The funding of more charging facilities is great, but no targets, incentives, or vehicle tax reform is a completely passive approach doomed to achieve very little - which is probably their aim. The refusal to legislate fuel efficiency and emissions standards is criminal.

 

[moa999]

Then again, Matt Kean is an unusually knowledgeable, insightful and capable Minister.

Note that Matt got a promotion with the new Premier. He's now the Treasurer.

The plan is very Liberal Party.. let the market sort it out.. low touch low interference.

We do have new fuel standards coming in 2024, but the government is funding up to $2bn in subsidies (helluva a lot more than for EVs) to help the two remaining refineries upgrade - they had otherwise threatened to close the refineries and shift to import only, which obviously has broader security issues.

 

[RareEarth]

If you were Ford would you want to endanger your best selling and profitable Ranger by bringing the Lightning here?
If you were Toyota and had no serious EV plan would you want your position as sales leader here threatened by companies that do?
Ditto for Mazda, Honda etc
Even Hyundai, as one of the EV 'leaders' of legacy auto, would not be keen on Osbourning their strong ICE sales in Oz.

For these companies (and their dealers), ICE sales are still more profitable. Australia as one of the highest car ownership per capita countries is still on these companies' radar.

Methinks the corridors of Lobbyland are bustling with representatives of fossil fuel and legacy auto. Hence the 'strategy' we now see. As Scotty from Marketing knows full well, it is not worth the paper it is printed on.

 

[m4rtin]

Sign me up to the Matt Kean fan club, this is the way to do it. It's hard to believe he's on the same side as the coal loving feds

https://twitter.com/x/status/1457999421984043015

 

[Vostok]

Methinks the corridors of Lobbyland are bustling with representatives of fossil fuel and legacy auto. Hence the 'strategy' we now see. As Scotty from Marketing knows full well, it is not worth the paper it is printed on.

Or as Mike Cannon-Brookes described it after reading the 128-page PDF, it’s not worth the paper that he didn’t print it on

 

[Vostok]

Note that Matt got a promotion with the new Premier. He's now the Treasurer.

The plan is very Liberal Party.. let the market sort it out.. low touch low interference.

He’s still the Energy and Environment Minister as well, until Perrottet does a reshuffle later this year or early next.

I wouldn’t describe Matt’s plan as very Liberal Party. First, there are cash rebates for EVs, targeted only at EVs which cost less than $68k. So “rich” people who buy “expensive toys” don’t get any benefit. That is borderline socialist in the normal course of LNP policy-making.

Then they have actually set targets for EV uptake within the Government fleet, both a 2030 target and an interim 2026 target. That’s an anathema to the Feds.

Building regulations will be updated in NSW to make it mandatory for new apartment blocks to be “EV ready”.

Then there is the massive investment of $171M over the next 4 years in more charging stations, with a focus on solving the charging problem for suburban Sydney where 30% of people do not have off-street parking. That doesn’t sound very LNP to me!

 

[Gayle S]

I have seen Matt Kean and was amazed at how much I agreed with him. The Government and business do not really want EV's to take off here as there are too many industries, big and small business' associated with ICE cars that would suffer, guess that is how Blacksmith's felt when cars were invented! .

I guess the only way we can have EV's here is create the demand, from my purchase alone, in a period of 3 months, I now know of 3 others purchasing a Tesla. Removing luxury car tax does not help those who cannot afford the prices of EV's, which is the majority of people... most EV owners are considered to be higher income.

 

[paulp]

I have seen Matt Kean and was amazed at how much I agreed with him. The Government and business do not really want EV's to take off here as there are too many industries, big and small business' associated with ICE cars that would suffer, guess that is how Blacksmith's felt when cars were invented! .

I guess the only way we can have EV's here is create the demand, from my purchase alone, in a period of 3 months, I now know of 3 others purchasing a Tesla. Removing luxury car tax does not help those who cannot afford the prices of EV's, which is the majority of people... most EV owners are considered to be higher income.

I’m a bit confused with your comment. If removing the luxury car tax doesn’t help, then how will removing stamp duty or $3k subsidies by state governments (including Matt Kean who you agree with) make a difference? The luxury tax is worth a lot more than those incentives.

 

[Vostok]

The luxury tax is worth a lot more than those incentives.

Not to people who can afford to purchase EVs that cost more than the LCT threshold. I would have bought my Model 3 regardless of LCT, because I have plenty of money and don’t mind paying my fair share to the Government. I don’t need or want upper class welfare.

The cost of entry needs to be reduced at the lower end where $3k will change purchasing decisions. I agree with what Mr. Kean has done here.

 

[paulp]

Not to people who can afford to purchase EVs that cost more than the LCT threshold. I would have bought my Model 3 regardless of LCT, because I have plenty of money and don’t mind paying my fair share to the Government. I don’t need or want upper class welfare.

The cost of entry needs to be reduced at the lower end where $3k will change purchasing decisions. I agree with what Mr. Kean has done here.

Not a trick question, but how many ev’s are for sale in australia below the luxury car tax?

Also I have no issue with luxury car buyers paying a luxury car tax. Just not convinced that the average wage earner (around $80k) should be considered wealthy or upper class, and not convinced that the same average wage earner should be paying the same luxury car tax as say you or me who can easily afford it. Think of it another way. If your an average wage earner and you want to do the right thing by the environment, you’ve got your solar panels, heat pump etc and now want to do emmisions free motoring, but drive interstate a lot, which car can I buy to easily do that which fits my average wage supporting a family?
Once again not a trick question. I see it as getting as many ev’s out there as possible right now making it as affordable as possible for each socioeconomic group. But if you want your $160k tesla. Pay the tax, and the stamp duty, and the gst