Apparently a software update has deleted the headlights on when windshield wipers are on function. Noticed no headlight icon in torrential Florida rain this afternoon. This is potentially catastrophically unsafe. My 2004 Toyota Avalon still does it. This function needs to be restored now,
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Auto headlights with wipers function deleted
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Wvapoker
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What about those people that don’t like their headlight use to be mandated?
Then they can be arrested for violating state laws.
BigNick
Infamous Fat Sweaty Guy
Even if that is the case, it should be MENTIONED IN THE RELEASE NOTES.
Pretty sure all states require lights to be used in rain, and if there is an exception, the car can decouple lights and wiper functions in the appropriate locations.
medphys3
Member
Arrested for having your headlights off in the rain? Wow.
BigNick
Infamous Fat Sweaty Guy
Arrested? Not a chance. Found liable in an accident? Quite possibly.
RayK
Active Member
Ticketed? Maybe. Here in CA it's the law that your headlights be on when windshield wipers are in use (rain, snow, etc.). Note that daytime running lights are not considered as headlights.
Lest anyone doubt the seriousness of this issue, in this afternoon's incident, the onset of the torrential rain occurred within a few seconds. AP was on and doing a fair job in the deluge at 50 mph on a 4 lane divided road. As I went to turn on the lights on the screen ( there is no voice command ) the AP disconnected. I voice commanded the "Wipers higher" to make sure they were on max and it misinterpreted and turned them OFF. I was blind for about 10 seconds until I could bring up the card and turn them back on. Is this the type of automation behavior necessary for FSD? I think not. I filed a NHTSA report once I confirmed from Tesla the function had been removed.
BigNick
Infamous Fat Sweaty Guy
Despite that, I see plenty of people without lights on in the rain. And at night. Haven’t seen anyone pulled over for the infraction here.
Pressing the turn signal stalk button should bring up the wipers card quickly. The wipers in the (pre-yoke) S had a dedicated knob on the turn signal stalk.
I have been driving in those “sudden wall of water” storms. I wouldn’t want to be 10 seconds into one before getting the wipers activated unless I had Rain-X on the windshield.
Let’s keep in perspective motor vehicle code vs. criminal code. You might be ticketed for a wiper-headlight violation, but they’re not going to drag you out of the car, cuff you, and cart you off to the hoosegow over it.
Depends what you've been doing in the past!
Its also the law in MA that if your wipers are on, your lights should be on.
TomT
Technical Maven
No, but you can certainly get a ticket. I know someone who did. It's a safety issue, why would you NOT want them on?!
rpiotro
Active Member
Not so. At least in Wisconsin. To the best of my knowledge, the only nearby state that requires this is Minnesota.
Let me go on the record supporting wipers on = headlights on but it is not universal. The driver can make that choice also you know.
rpiotro
Active Member
medphys3
Member
I didn’t say I wanted them off, but I also don’t bitch about my car not being able to perform functions that I can easily perform myself.
None of my cars have ever turned the lights on for me when I activated the wipers. I turn them on myself because I know the rules and like to be able to be seen by oncoming traffic (which is the main reason for it, not so YOU can see).
Automation is cool, but the more we let our vehicles control things, the more we start to forget how to do normal simple tasks.
But that’s just me. YMMV.
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