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Automotive News: Tesla wins first round in Massachusetts dealers lawsuit

Discussion in 'Tesla Motors' started by ToddRLockwood, Nov 20, 2012.

  1. ToddRLockwood

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    Very good news. This means that they feel the store is not blatantly breaking the law enough to justify preventing them from doing business as usual. I'd say this is actually a "soft" win for now.
     
  3. ckessel

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    Yay for common sense. This quote amuses me:
    They're so confident in the value, you see, that they're doing Tesla a favor here by suing them so that Tesla doesn't make a mistake. No, it's not about NADA, this is just NADA being concerned for Tesla. Honest.

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  4. bonnie

    bonnie Oil is for sissies.

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    Thrilled to hear this.
     
  5. sublimaze1

    sublimaze1 8Dec2012 / Leeroy Jenkins

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    +1 ckessel.

    Either do it the way we do (irrespective of whether you like it or not) or we will make sure you have no other choice, and we will do it in a way that seems in the best interest of the masses.
     
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    Massachusetts Judge Denies Dealers Request for An Injunction on Tesla Store

    Here's the text:

    A Massachusetts judge has denied a request by dealers for a preliminary injunction against Tesla Motors Inc., which will allow the automaker to operate its store in suburban Boston as the dealers' lawsuit against the company proceeds.

    The ruling, filed Friday, is an early setback for the Massachusetts State Automobile Dealers Association and individual dealerships that sued Tesla on Oct. 16, claiming the electric-vehicle maker has violated Massachusetts' licensing, consumer protection and franchise laws. The lawsuit poses a challenge to Tesla's strategy of owning and operating its own retail stores, rather than granting franchises to dealers as other automakers do.

    The dealers asked the Massachusetts Superior Court for a restraining order and injunction that would stop the Tesla-owned showroom in Natick, Mass., which opened Sept. 28, from doing "anything other than an unstaffed display of a locked automobile." To get an injunction in Massachusetts, as in federal court, plaintiffs must show they are likely to prevail in the case and will otherwise suffer irreparable harm.

    Here is the link to the Automotive News article about the denied injunction:


    http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121120/RETAIL07/121129989/mass-judge-denies-dealers-request-for-injunction-on-tesla-store&source=email_rt_mc_body&ifp=0
     
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    So good. We, of The Commonwealth of Massachusetts, are heartily grateful to hear the news.
    Sadly I missed this thread and posted elsewhere. Moderators may move my comments as needed, preferably to the doorstep of NADA.
     
  8. ToddRLockwood

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    #8 ToddRLockwood, Nov 20, 2012
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    "Tesla may not yet recognize the value of the independent, franchised dealer system, but as its sales increase, NADA is confident it will re-examine its business model," Montana dealer and NADA Chairman Bill Underriner said in the statement. "Other companies such as Daewoo did. All companies should be complying with existing laws in the same way dealers are required to."

    This was clearly spoken by someone with a solid footing in the previous century.
     
  9. UMD86

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    I heard a Satellite Radio advertisement on The Model S. It was an AUTOBLOG.COM ad and they were talking about the "S".
     
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    If the decision only said "denied", I'd agree with you, but I think the text of the decision reads a bit stronger than a "well, they're not blatantly breaking the law enough".

    “There is nothing in American Honda to suggest that the legislative purpose to protect the public expands standing under 15(a) to allow any unaffiliated motor vehicle dealer to sue any manufacturer”.
    So the motion was denied because the plaintiffs had no standing to bring suit. and if they have no standing to bring suit, then how will they win the lawsuit?

    and the rationale that the plaintiffs don't have standing makes sense to me: they're not being directly wronged, and there's no public interest in allowing a Fisker dealer to sue Tesla motors for the way Tesla Motors treats its [nonexistent] dealers.
     
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    There is a thread on the Tesla website, but I cannot view it. Is this the case for others? (I am logged on as well.)
     
  12. Norbert

    Norbert TSLA will win

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    +1 ckessel. saved.

    Dealers trying to be tough, already planning to appeal:

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    Thanks for the quote, as the link is hard to discover:
    http://www.autonews.com/assets/PDF/CA840581120.PDF

    In my naive, non-lawyer, non-expert reading, 93B seemed to apply to the two parties of a franchise agreement, but there is not any such agreement between Tesla and anyone else.
     
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    The judge threw out the injuction, but didn't just throw out the case. So as far as he is concerned there is at least a basis for the case. Like I wrote, I consider this a "soft" win.

    The quote you cited does imply that the suit is probably going to fail.

    Yeah, for our side.
     
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    Sometimes cases will continue in order to get the facts heard and the opinion on the record. That can do a better job of "nipping it in the bud" for the long haul than just throwing it out. Attorneys and justices would then have something to reference in the future if this crops up again.
     
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    Some questions for the legally minded:

    If there really is a Mass. law that is being broken, doesn't that mean the state has to bring charges against Tesla, not dealers?

    If the above is true, and the state is allowing it anyway, then wouldn't the dealer's beef be with the state for allowing it? The dealers could sue the state to get them to enforce the law, but not sue Tesla directly.

    Wasn't there a complaint to the town of Natick selectmen for allowing the Tesla store in the mall (zoning or somesuch). Whatever happened to that?
     
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    Here is a section of the Massachusetts law that NADA is saying Tesla is breaking:

    “Sale” or “sell”, the issuance, transfer, agreement for transfer, exchange, pledge, hypothecation, mortgage in any form, whether by transfer in trust or otherwise, or lease of any motor vehicle or interest therein or of any franchise related thereto; and any option, subscription or other contract, or solicitation, looking to a sale, offer or attempt to sell, or lease in any form, whether spoken or written."

    "(c) It shall be deemed a violation of subsection (a) of section 3 for a manufacturer, distributor or franchisor representative:

    (10) to own or operate, either directly or indirectly through any subsidiary, parent company or firm, a motor vehicle dealership located in the commonwealth of the same line make as any of the vehicles manufactured, assembled or distributed by the manufacturer or distributor."

    And here is a link to the appropriate law in full:

    General Laws: CHAPTER 93B, Section 4
     
  17. Norbert

    Norbert TSLA will win

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    As far as I can tell, that section needs to be seen in context:

    Chapter 93B as a whole is a "REGULATION OF BUSINESS PRACTICES BETWEEN MOTOR VEHICLE MANUFACTURERS, DISTRIBUTORS AND DEALERS"

    And in Section 1, a dealer is defined as:

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    In other words, operating a dealership would be a violation of the business practices between a manufacturer and a franchised dealer, however there isn't any franchised dealer in this business. And not even a business (the practices of which could be regulated).

    In my naive understanding.
     
  18. RDoc

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    Yes, that was my reading as well after plowing through the website. It looks to me like the whole law is about regulating the relationship between franchisees and manufacturers. I didn't see anything that prohibited a manufacturer from setting up a dealership beyond the issue of competing with franchisees.

    Can anyone reference something in the law that says otherwise?
     
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    Not possible.
     
  20. stopcrazypp

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    I read through the whole decision and I agree more with derekt75. The judge seems to be saying the plaintiffs don't even have a standing to bring this suit at all (perhaps the state does). Plus the article says the plaintiffs are considering appeal (so they are clearly on the losing side right now).
     

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