Autonomous Car Progress

[DanCar]

So basically just repeating the mistakes that killed their customers in the past. Random changes in behaviour and lulling them into a false sense of security.

Any thoughts about lives saved versus lost?

 

[banned-66611]

Any thoughts about lives saved versus lost?

Is there any evidence that it saves lives vs human drivers?

The only "evidence" we ever got was that Tesla claim which was quickly debunked by NHTSB. If it existed you would think Tesla would promote it, and obviously I can't prove a negative.

 

[diplomat33]

Tesla's FSD Beta gets mixed reviews:

'I'm not drunk, it's my car:' Tesla's 'full self-driving' gets mixed reviews - CNN

 

[masterxel]

Haha just a bit of bias in that article.
"Seemingly mundane maneuvers for human drivers, like circling a roundabout, have drawn intense praise from the Tesla owners and friends they've allowed to ride with them."

I'm not sure they've seen the gifs of humans driving cars straight into and over roundabouts.

 

[diplomat33]

Haha just a bit of bias in that article.
"Seemingly mundane maneuvers for human drivers, like circling a roundabout, have drawn intense praise from the Tesla owners and friends they've allowed to ride with them."

I'm not sure they've seen the gifs of humans driving cars straight into and over roundabouts.

But what is the percentage of human drivers who drive straight into and over roundabouts? I bet it is very small. It is a very mundane maneuver as most drivers handle roundabouts just fine.

 

[MP3Mike]

I'm not sure they've seen the gifs of humans driving cars straight into and over roundabouts.

We have one in our area that we call the "drunk catcher". (It isn't really a roundabout, it is just a large "planter" in the middle of the road that you have to sort of swerve around.)

 

[masterxel]

But what is the percentage of human drivers who drive straight into and over roundabouts? I bet it is very small. It is a very mundane maneuver as most drivers handle roundabouts just fine.

I think you mentioned in the Waymo thread how self driving cars will eliminate certain classes of accidents like rollovers. I bet driving straight into a roundabout is one of those classes that humans have a higher percentage than most SDC or FSD already.

Personally there is a two lane roundabout near me that I struggle with even though it's mundane. I should be smart enough to stay in the left lane when traveling south every time, but somehow I'm not. Just doesn't seem like roundabouts are a good example for them to be criticizing.
Google Maps

 

[diplomat33]

I think you mentioned in the Waymo thread how self driving cars will eliminate certain classes of accidents like rollovers. I bet driving straight into a roundabout is one of those classes that humans have a higher percentage than most SDC or FSD already.

Personally there is a two lane roundabout near me that I struggle with even though it's mundane. I should be smart enough to stay in the left lane when traveling south every time, but somehow I'm not. Just doesn't seem like roundabouts are a good example for them to be criticizing.
Google Maps

Fair enough. I am sure there are more mundane maneuvers than roundabouts. And yes, I expect AVs will not drive in and over roundabouts as often as humans do.

 

[diplomat33]

LOL

"As the driverless racing car was about to begin a time-trial contest during the first live broadcast of Roborace — a racing series for autonomous vehicle — the car veered off from a standing start and smashed straight into a wall."

Watch This Self-driving Racing Car Slam Straight Into a Wall | Digital Trends

 

[Soda Popinski]

LOL

"As the driverless racing car was about to begin a time-trial contest during the first live broadcast of Roborace — a racing series for autonomous vehicle — the car veered off from a standing start and smashed straight into a wall."

Watch This Self-driving Racing Car Slam Straight Into a Wall | Digital Trends

Did it have HD maps?

 

[diplomat33]

Did it have HD maps?

Probably not.

 

[drtimhill]

Tesla's FSD Beta gets mixed reviews:

'I'm not drunk, it's my car:' Tesla's 'full self-driving' gets mixed reviews - CNN

Lovely phrase "mixed reviews" .. since every product gets multiple reviews, and they are not all the same, by definition every product gets a mixed review.

 

[hgmichna]

Just wondering whether a good autopilot would stay in the inner lane in a multi-lane roundabout and keep circling until it sees an opportunity to reach the outer lane and leave the roundabout.

 

[Daniel in SD]

Just wondering whether a good autopilot would stay in the inner lane in a multi-lane roundabout and keep circling until it sees an opportunity to reach the outer lane and leave the roundabout.

I've never even seen a multi-lane roundabout in the US but doesn't the inner lane have right of way?

 

[joelliot]

I've never even seen a multi-lane roundabout in the US but doesn't the inner lane have right of way?

We have them in Rhode Island, though I'm not sure anyone knows how they are supposed to work.

 

[thewishmaster]

LOL

"As the driverless racing car was about to begin a time-trial contest during the first live broadcast of Roborace — a racing series for autonomous vehicle — the car veered off from a standing start and smashed straight into a wall."

Watch This Self-driving Racing Car Slam Straight Into a Wall | Digital Trends

Looks as good as human-driven to me - like the time I drove a relatively powerful RWD RC car for the first time, straight into the curb.

 

[ThomasD]

What are the chances that Tesla could remove FSD from the used cars it will sell? Then charge another 10,000 dollars to another owner to activate it How many used car buyers would purchase it?

 

[Daniel in SD]

What are the chances that Tesla could remove FSD from the used cars it will sell? Then charge another 10,000 dollars to another owner to activate it How many used car buyers would purchase it?

I think all used inventory has FSD now.

 

[drtimhill]

What are the chances that Tesla could remove FSD from the used cars it will sell? Then charge another 10,000 dollars to another owner to activate it How many used car buyers would purchase it?

They already do that.

 

[daktari]

Have not any of the beta testers started on a coast-to-coast test yet?