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At the launch, a Baidu representative said "at least it's not in the desert" and walked away without answering why the need to limit the service to such a small area!
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Tesla has 71 non-employee testers for "City Streets Beta" which is only an L2 system.It really makes me wonder what all of these robotaxi companies are doing and if they're really serious. Right now, it looks like they need to show something, even if it's plainly ridiculous.
It really makes me wonder what all of these robotaxi companies are doing and if they're really serious. Right now, it looks like they need to show something, even if it's plainly ridiculous.
Don't say that! Believers will ignore anything factual and instead fist fight you over the meaning of the word 'promise'.These robotaxi companies have real autonomous driving and are deploying real robotaxis. Yes, they are serious.
Tesla has promised 1M robotaxis and yet has deployed ZERO robotaxis so far! If anyone needs to prove that they are really serious about robotaxis, it's Tesla.
I cannot wait to see their work of art re geo-fence.Both Waymo and Cruise have applied for permits to start charging for autonomous ride-hailing rides in CA, hinting that they plan to expand autonomous ride-hailing to the public in CA soon
I think the better fight is over "1M robotaxis." Maybe someone slipped up somewhere, but mostly wasn't the statement something like "1M vehicles with the hardware required to be robotaxis"?Don't say that! Believers will ignore anything factual and instead fist fight you over the meaning of the word 'promise'.
I think the better fight is over "1M robotaxis." Maybe someone slipped up somewhere, but mostly wasn't the statement something like "1M vehicles with the hardware required to be robotaxis"?
I cannot wait to see their work of art re geo-fence.
Previously, the discussion was about promises vs reality, and you can't sue him for his optimistic statements. This is different. These are clear on the record statements to owners and investors. There are no *regulators and software validation* garbage. He is in a corner now. Deliver or get whackedMusk said "all the hardware necessary" in October 2016. By February 2019 he said: ""I think we will be feature complete -- full self-driving -- this year...Meaning the car will be able to find you in a parking lot, pick you up and take you all the way to your destination without an intervention, this year. I would say I am of certain of that. That is not a question mark."
In April 2019 he described an operational service, not just necessary h/w.: "I feel very confident predicting 1 million autonomous robo-taxis for Tesla next year... Expect this to operate sort of like a combination of the Uber and the Airbnb model."
Also in April 2019: "By the middle of next year, we'll have over 1 million Tesla cars in the road will full Self-Driving hardware, future complete at a reliability level that we will consider that no one needs to pay attention. Meaning you could go to sleep in your car."
Around that time he also said they'd have operational Robotaxis in some jurisdictions during 2020, but I'm not going to chase down that exact quote.
Tell that to the SEC.you can't sue him for his optimistic statements.
Elon has said a bunch of forward looking statements that came and went. Investors can sue him if they want, but generally SEC doesn't really step in unless it very clearly directly impacts the stock price (such as the $420 comment).Previously, the discussion was about promises vs reality, and you can't sue him for his optimistic statements. This is different. These are clear on the record statements to owners and investors. There are no *regulators and software validation* garbage. He is in a corner now. Deliver or get whacked
I think the better fight is over "1M robotaxis." Maybe someone slipped up somewhere, but mostly wasn't the statement something like "1M vehicles with the hardware required to be robotaxis"?
Tesla flied this with the SEC in 2013:As for owners, whatever thing Elon says to the media or other gatherings doesn't necessarily constitute a contract to deliver in the cars. What ultimately governs that is what Tesla's website said at the time of order and what is in the order agreement.
Are you saying that only applies to investors?Interested in keeping up with Tesla?
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There is zero evidence that Tesla has applied to any regulator anywhere for approval of an L3+ system (or even L2). They can't use this as an excuse when they have failed to get to a level where they themselves are willing to present it as L3+ capable. In the USA the general question is "what regulator?" and "what laws"? They are out testing "city streets beta" without having involved a regulator in any way, which when probed by a possible regulator, they answered with "this has such minimal functionality that it does not fall into an area that is regulated".(including the "regulators" you mentioned).
Sure there is.There's no way any Robotaxi company, even OEM GM/Cruise, will be able to ramp faster than Tesla.
The prospect of this must scare the robotaxi companies to death. If Elon is telling the truth then they're practically all dead. Any delays from Tesla is giving robotaxi companies a reprieve from the almost inevitable.
Robotaxi company:
- Spend $ to buy vehicle, spend $ to outfit vehicle, spend $ to maintain vehicle, ...etc... Hopefully make profit in years, but more likely never.
- Has few operating taxis.
Tesla:
- Customers pay $ to buy vehicle, customers pay $ to buy FSD option, customer pay $ to maintain vehicle, ...etc... Tesla already profited before first robotaxi ride.
- ~1M already on the road. Own multiple factories and intends to build ~750,000 "robotaxi capable" vehicles in 2021.
The fundamentals and economics are diametrically opposite. There's no way any Robotaxi company, even OEM GM/Cruise, will be able to ramp faster than Tesla.
Even with Tesla's L2 FSD Beta, I have seen the FSD Beta handle more scenarios in the real world than a Waymo car!So far, there is no evidence that our Teslas are capable of being robotaxis. Right now, Tesla is still at L2 with camera vision that is a work in progress, and with a very poor disengagement rate.
Even with Tesla's L2 FSD Beta, I have seen the FSD Beta handle more scenarios in the real world than a Waymo car!
Because for all intents and purposes, Waymo has proven that they will route their cars remotely and based on the latest video from JJ that they try to avoid all/most construction zones.
That is not autonomy, that is sandbox upon a sandbox in the desert, with training wheels.
That's kind of an interesting point of view that maybe I could agree with.Even with Tesla's L2 FSD Beta, I have seen the FSD Beta handle more scenarios in the real world than a Waymo car!
And Tesla has proven that they require a human in the car to take over at any moment with much less latency than remote driving can handle.Because for all intents and purposes, Waymo has proven that they will route their cars remotely