CarlK
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Why? Just let the car to run free is not stupid? I seriously doubt Waymo is not remotely monitoring each and every car so they could apply necessary actions when there is a need.
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Why? Just let the car to run free is not stupid? I seriously doubt Waymo is not remotely monitoring each and every car so they could apply necessary actions when there is a need.
No, that’s not how Waymo cars work. That would be stupid.
DanCar
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Why would a 1:1 remote driver : car ratio be stupid? Seriously?
DanCar
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No one said 1:1. It can be when the car signals a situation it is not comfortable with. Even if it where close to 1:1 the price of labor in india, china, latin america is cheap. The only thing stupid is your attack on people's comments.
CarlK literally said “remotely monitoring each and every car so they could apply necessary actions when there is a need.” That’s 1:1, which would be stupid.
*clutches pearls*
Yes, it is. AV hardware is very expensive. It makes no sense, economically, to drive cars remotely. You’d be better off just manning the car. Remote operation can’t be made safe, either. No one is doing that, because it would be stupid.
Uh.... do you think the car needs to be monitored while it’s ****ing PARKED?
This is not what anyone means when they say “self-driving car.”
WannabeOwner
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That would need a staff headcount that matches peak journeys, which would be close to 100% of the fleet. Whether in the car, or not, they aren't all going to be needed at 3AM
, but I am not seeing how "only when the car is running" reduces the headcount during the Peak Shift.Some Tesla fans getting very upset here.
They should be worried. Waymo has got this far with a much more advanced sensor suite than Tesla has, and it's still far from being anything like what Musk promised he was going to deliver in the next 14 months.
Plus Waymo has a very good safety record. One 2 MPH crash only, no deaths or serious injuries.
They should be worried. Waymo has got this far with a much more advanced sensor suite than Tesla has, and it's still far from being anything like what Musk promised he was going to deliver in the next 14 months.
Plus Waymo has a very good safety record. One 2 MPH crash only, no deaths or serious injuries.
Kiwiadventure
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Way has a lot less vehicles on the road so what would you expect. What Tesla do you drive?
Before you call him stupid why dont you google this thing called latency. Your talking about being in a totally different country not even in the same city while controlling a car going 80 mph. This is as laughable as it gets.
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CarlK
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That would need a staff headcount that matches peak journeys, which would be close to 100% of the fleet. Whether in the car, or not, they aren't all going to be needed at 3AM
You have answered your own question. Even if you need 100% head count at peak hours it still beats "safety engineer" in every car all the time. It's a natural progress not just to save money. Remote monitoring and controlling is just so easy to do. It's still a progress but not what Waymo made it sound to be.
Quite the opposite. The way Waymo is going it will never be able to achieve what Tesla is set out to do. That is anyone will be able to buy a car and let it to drive autonomously anywhere he wants. Waymo's ultimate goal is just to run cars under its control in geofenced areas. That's NOT general autonomy.
Oh and their "advanced" sensor suit is something likely will not work both technically and economically. The guy who originally developed it for Waymo already admitted it's not the right approach and Elon was right. Tesla is the only company that has the product that uses vision and deep learning which at this point is recognized as the most advance system.
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Humm
Based on this Google thing Global Ping Statistics - WonderNetwork, round trip ping times between distant servers are under 0.6 second (including 2 60fps refresh). At 60 MPH that is 53 feet (ignoring human reaction time ). 80 (AZ highway) 70.4 feet.
Which all beside the point that, in the short term, they could move the safety drivers to a local operations center. Long term there would ideally not be constant monitoring per vehicle, but that was not the inital premise.
Remote "safety engineers" can't react to anything because the internet might drop out at any time. Autonomous systems need to be local only.
They need to either sit in the car like Waymo or only assist in getting the car out of a pickle if it gets stuck.
They need to either sit in the car like Waymo or only assist in getting the car out of a pickle if it gets stuck.
The car could go fail safe (same action the safety engineer would induce) in the event of loss of connection.
Then what's the point with a safety engineer remotely? Only use is that the car is autonomous enough to not get into accidents and it's stuck for some reason that they remotely can step in and get it out of it. Not reacting to a realtime collision.
WannabeOwner
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But you have to have staff available, for the max peak journeys, otherwise you are not available to provide 1:1 monitoring of all journeys in progress.
if you are going to employ them anyway, for that "shift", it makes no difference whether they are in the car, or sat in the office waiting for a journey to start. There is a small benefit of being sat in the office in that you only need to accommodate "Peak", which is presumably somewhat less than 100% of fleet. But it is still Peak Journeys - even if that is only 90% of fleet vehicles available that's still 90% that you have to have 1:1 staff available to monitor.
I have no opinion on whether safety driver needs to be in the car, or monitoring remotely, I'm just considering that if the need is 1:1 monitoring then how many staff are needed,a nd that is one for every journey in progress, at peak.
If the car might be safe, but you are not sure yet. So you have someone monitor until the confidence level allows unmonitored operation.
Like student drivers: passenger can't do anything but evaluate and yell. Or Tesla with nags (on a better future SW version)
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