diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
The video suggests otherwise... but don't let that get in your way... preach on!
I watched the video. No it does not. Where in the video, do we see that the safety driver disengaged?
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The video suggests otherwise... but don't let that get in your way... preach on!
He grabbed the steering wheel -- screen caps in that same thread (before and after).I watched the video. No it does not. Where in the video, do we see that the safety driver disengaged?
He grabbed the steering wheel -- screen caps in that same thread (before and after).
There are 2 stops in the video, the stop in question is for the 2nd intersection. The oncoming car got annoyed waiting for Waymo car and went first, as Waymo started to go as well.Waymo safety drivers always keep their hands hovering just on the wheel like they are supposed. There was nothing that suggested that the safety driver had to "grab the wheel" to avoid a crash.
There are 2 stops in the video, the stop in question is for the 2nd intersection. The oncoming car got annoyed waiting for Waymo car and went first, as Waymo started to go as well.
If you take off your tin-foil hat, you can see that there was an intervention there and the screen-grab from the video shows the hands appearing on the wheel.
Waymo had a already addressed "safety drivers always keep their hands hovering just on the wheel like they are supposed" with a their OWN video proving this statement false.
Safety drivers are supposed to keep their hands on/near/ready, but reality is a b!tc#...
If he's a Waymo FUDster then you're a Waymo fanboi apologist... "just in case".But even if it was an intervention, so what? Nobody is saying that Waymo has zero interventions. We know Waymo does have interventions, although they are extremely rare. And safety drivers are trained to play it safe. So maybe this was an instance where both cars started to move and to be cautious, the safety driver intervened "just in case", which there are trained to do.
FSD Beta has dozens of interventions all the time for things that Waymo handles perfectly.
This was a direct (in-real-life) comparison of 2 FSD systems at the same intersection...FSD Beta has dozens of interventions all the time for things that Waymo handles perfectly.
If he's a Waymo FUDster then you're a Waymo fanboi apologist... "just in case".
I make no apologies for being a fan of Waymo. Waymo has the most autonomous miles than any other company, has the most autonomous experience than any other company, has the best safety record of any robotaxi and has fully driverless robotaxis available to the public. Yeah, I am big fan of that.
This post is clearly fact based. Yet someone finds a way to disagree with facts. Only a very argumentative person disagree's with fact's...
Here are the facts from the video.
It was Waymo's turn to go
The Waymo was a bit slow to go
The other driver went outside of their turn to go
The Waymo safety driver does appear to react so it appears to be an intervention, but we don't know if they did in fact do so.
Beyond that everything is speculation.
With that being said we already know from previous videos a lot about the two systems. The Waymo system is pretty famous for being too careful, and causing situations that wouldn't normally happen with a human driver. So what happened wasn't exactly surprising.
With the FSD beta we already know from other videos the numerous scenarios where a driver has to intervene, and some of these involve not getting going fast enough. This is important as the Waymo driver should have intervened before the other car even went just to get going.
For FSD what I'd love to have is a ping when its time to go from a stop sign. That could come well before the FSD beta got a general release, and that could help me assess how good it was.
fwiw, what about in car lidar, to sense occupants intentions
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Doesn't only Cadillac's Supercruise do that (at least for Level 2)? None of the other level 2 systems do that, they all use the steering wheel just like Tesla does.Just use an IR interior camera like every car out there except for Tesla. It's a solved problem.
Doesn't only Cadillac's Supercruise do that (at least for Level 2)? None of the other level 2 systems do that, they all use the steering wheel just like Tesla does.
Given this thread is in the AP thread I presumed you were talking about level 2 systems. Driver monitoring systems that just give a warning ping is not that relevant if it's not used also for level 2 (kind of like how forward collision warning isn't relevant given it's an independent system that doesn't affect the ACC system).Most modern cars have a driver monitoring system with IR cameras. Doesn't really have anything to do with cruise control.
Tesla's strategy is still Full Self Driving, which does not require driver monitoring.
Let's see how that will turn out.
Note that Tesla cars, at least the Model 3, already have an interior camera, currently not used. Not sure whether infrared lighting is available.
The two companies shown using cameras for driver attention detection (but not level 2) is Lexus and BMW and it's optional.
The two companies shown using cameras for driver attention detection (but not level 2) is Lexus and BMW and it's optional.