Those that have a beef with Tesla over the FSD package have no-one else to blame but themselves.
Yes, but 1 - I want the source linked, 2 - the context of the post is clear beyond without confusion.
Well, most people don't like blaming theirselves when they think they've been deceived, it only makes them more angry!
I think most people's feelings on the matter are valid. The only position I don't understand is people who were ok with leasing FSD for three years and getting absolutely nothing, those people should definitely be upset!
The site's verbiage has changed over time and we've had this argument a few times. I agree that the current verbiage really doesn't promise much at all. There's still the issue that the CEO of the company talks with create confidence about some product to be released in the near future that is also called FSD and people assume that that's what they're ordering without actually reading the fine print.
teslamotorsclub.com
Low-speed, is this limited to 25 mph (~40 kph)?First International safety standard for fully automated driving systems has been published
The standard focused on L4 Low Speed Autonomous Driving (LSAD):
In the ISO 22737 standard, the group have set out the specific minimum safety and performance requirements for LSAD systems, providing a common language to help facilitate the development and safe deployment of this technology worldwide. The group included experts from Japan, USA, Canada, Australia, South Korea, China, Germany, France, the Netherlands, Hungary and the UK.
Some of the key points from the new standard include:
· Providing minimum operating capabilities for LSAD systems including guidance on Operational Design Domain (ODD) definition
· Guidance on how LSAD systems may fit into the wider transport ecosystem
· Performance requirements for different aspects of the LSAD system such Dynamic Driving Task; Emergency maneuvers (e.g. emergency stop and minimal risk maneuvers); hazardous situation identification; static and dynamic obstacle detection and avoidance
· Test procedures for various system functionalities
“The new LSAD standard puts a line in the sand for all OEMs to exceed and so enables a global market where all players rise to the same exacting standards as each other, keeping the public safe and the industry competitive."
The standard itself is behind a paywall. If I am able to purchase, I can share more details. But it is good news that we have our first AV Safety Standard
For what it's worth, here is a preview copy of some of the standard. I wouldn't quote from it in this format.First International safety standard for fully automated driving systems has been published
The standard focused on L4 Low Speed Autonomous Driving (LSAD):
In the ISO 22737 standard, the group have set out the specific minimum safety and performance requirements for LSAD systems, providing a common language to help facilitate the development and safe deployment of this technology worldwide. The group included experts from Japan, USA, Canada, Australia, South Korea, China, Germany, France, the Netherlands, Hungary and the UK.
Some of the key points from the new standard include:
· Providing minimum operating capabilities for LSAD systems including guidance on Operational Design Domain (ODD) definition
· Guidance on how LSAD systems may fit into the wider transport ecosystem
· Performance requirements for different aspects of the LSAD system such Dynamic Driving Task; Emergency maneuvers (e.g. emergency stop and minimal risk maneuvers); hazardous situation identification; static and dynamic obstacle detection and avoidance
· Test procedures for various system functionalities
“The new LSAD standard puts a line in the sand for all OEMs to exceed and so enables a global market where all players rise to the same exacting standards as each other, keeping the public safe and the industry competitive."
The standard itself is behind a paywall. If I am able to purchase, I can share more details. But it is good news that we have our first AV Safety Standard
standards.iteh.ai
The Aurrigo
For what it's worth, here is a preview copy of some of the standard. I wouldn't quote from it in this format.
ISO/DIS 22737 - Intelligent transport systems -- Low-speed automated driving (LSAD) systems for predefined routes -- Performance requirements, system requirements and performance test procedures
ISO/DIS 22737 - Intelligent transport systems -- Low-speed automated driving (LSAD) systems for predefined routes -- Performance requirements, system requirements and performance test procedures
The Aurrigo(Tide)Pod is limited to 25kph but that's just one manufacturer's design.
This standard allows L4 on predetermined routes only. Other standards of course cover different ODDs.
I hope IEEE P2846 is inclusive of all driving parameters. At the moment they list an "example" speed of 55mph, but we know people will vastly exceed whatever sensible limits are established. I trust they will take into account willful excess of acceptable guidelines.
I imagine that doesn't sell for less than $50K USD, does it? SIX lidars? 28 cameras?AutoX unveiled their Gen5 robotaxi at an event a few days ago:
Summary:
- 28 automotive grade camera sensors generating more than 200 million pixels per frame 360-degrees around the car.
- 6 high-resolution lidar sensors that produce 15 million points per second
- Surround 4D radar.
- 2 NVIDIA DRIVE Ampere architecture GPUs that deliver 900 TOPS each with max of 2200 TOPS combined.
"The Shenzhen fully driverless robotaxi service is just the first stop in AutoX’s roadmap to deploy a global driverless vehicle platform.
With a population of more than 12 million people and ranking in the top 50 of global cities with the heaviest traffic, Shenzhen provides an ideal setting for developing a scalable robotaxi model.
The startup plans to roll out thousands of autonomous vehicles powered by the Gen5 system over the next couple of years and expand to multiple cities around the world. AutoX is working with partners such as Stellantis and Honda to integrate their technology in a variety of vehicle platforms."
Source:
AutoX Unveils Robotaxi Platform Powered by NVIDIA DRIVE | NVIDIA Blog
The AutoX Gen5 platform uses NVIDIA DRIVE automotive-grade GPUs to reach up to 2,200 TOPS of AI compute performance.blogs.nvidia.com
This is a myth. When Waymo wants to test in a city they spend a couple weeks driving around to build maps and learn local customs and quirks. Google mapped the whole world pretty cheaply, and updates most areas every year or two (and yes, those cars have had lidar for many years). I've not come across anyone in the autonomous driving field who thinks maps are a bottleneck.
They obviously did think they could expand it because they "ordered" 82,000 cars.
That's why I said "mostly". They've blown most of their tech lead, but not all of it. At least not yet.
But they're doing it in China. And Cruise may beat Waymo in SF, a US market that actually matters.
Ain't gonna happen.
Waymo didn't order 82,000 "development platforms" in early 2018. Initial upfront cost doesn't matter if your business model works. Payting 100k instead of 50k for your first 100,000 Robotaxis costs you an extra 5 billion, but deploying at scale gives you a 500b market cap.
So you're touting technology that is (a) unproven and (b) likely unable to be cost justified. You also haven't explained how all those data will actually be processed onboard. We've discussed that having too much resolution complicates computational bandwidth.
