Isn't this what Mr Rand and Mr McNally did, starting way back in the 1800s...share map data at scale?
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voyager
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What TechReview wrote is that it remains to be seen whether those investments will help to prevent accidents and fatalities...
I wonder what new excuses Tesla fans will come up with when this goes live for everyone.
What excuses? Waymo is L4 and L5, Tesla cars are L2. They are working on a robotaxi which may be L4 and L5, but we don't know when that's coming to market.
Doggydogworld
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It came to market April 2020. "The fleet woke up with an OTA update, that's all it took". It was biggest increase in asset value in world history.
Why bother coming up with new ones when the old ones still work? Geofenced! Remote operators! Maps are brittle! Lidar is a crutch! You have to "solve vision" anyway. And FSD Beta 10.13 will fix the few remaining bugs and blow everyone's doors off!
Daylen Young works at Waymo so you know this clip was approved by PR. Trusted Testers still have safety drivers in SF and we have no timetable for public access and certainly not public driverless. And I gotta say those are some of the widest, flattest, sunniest streets I've ever seen in San Francisco. But every tiny step matters. Let's hope they can find a business model that works in SF and downtown Phoenix.
Doggydogworld
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Someone on Reddit noticed that this clip is highly edited. 15 seconds in it says "Arrival in 9 minutes at 1:20 pm". Then it cuts to "7 minutes at 1:27 pm". Then it says "9 minutes at 1:30pm". At construction cones it says "1 minute at 1:33 pm". It's basically a well-edited commercial.
EVNow
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You mean live for 7 Billion humans worldwide ?
I’ll then concede that Waymo is a great company.
EVNow
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Haters specialize in saying 1x raw videos by Omar is fake and well edited commercials by billion dollar companies are genuine proof of level 5.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
1) Nobody says Omar's 1x raw videos are fake. The criticism is towards Omar's videos that are sped up. And they are not fake but they are slightly deceptive because when they are sped up, they hide FSD beta's imperfections, like phantom braking, driver tapping the pedal to go, hesitations or jerky steering wheel.
2) Nobody is claiming the little edited video by Yang is proof of L5. Neither Yang nor Waymo are claiming L5. Waymo says their tech is L4. And yes, Yang's video is heavily edited, PR "ad". That's why I did not share it.
3) Of course, PR ads don't prove L4. What is proof that Waymo has L4 is that they have removed the safety diver in both Phoenix and San Francisco and have done millions of miles of real autonomous driving.
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diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Yes, it is heavily edited. I thought that was obvious. It is intended to be a "clip show" of a ride.
Don't be snarky. You know full well that he meant only the 375 million people living in the USA.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
No, but Waymo is doing the trusted rider program and driverless rides for their employees which are the last steps before public driverless. IMO, public driverless should happen very soon.
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diplomat33
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EVNow
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BS. As usual for you. Nothing new
Search, you will find.
Are you calling the “senior software engineer” a nobody?
ps : Not sure why you replied. I don’t really include you among haters. I was referring to the person OP was replying. My preferred term is “trolls” - which is accurate but mods don’t like it.
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"Safety Diver" A person employed to leap out of a self-driving car at the first sign of trouble.
EVNow
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diplomat33
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No, of course not. But I don't think the senior software engineer (@Bladerskb ?) is claiming Waymo is L5.
Doggydogworld
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It's not even a single ride. 43 seconds in it shows "arriving in 9 minutes at 1:03pm". That's before the ride "started".
TBF, Omar is an insufferable shill.
EVNow
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Yes - but he is not a fraud (I don't know him personally ... but I've followed him on Twitter for a long time).
EVNow
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Not directly - but posts a heavily edited commercial and asks "I wonder what new excuses Tesla fans will come up with when this goes live for everyone" - as if, if the commercial went "live" for everyone, it would be L5. Remember, this is the same "expert" who has posted umpteen times negatively about Tesla for putting out a clearly sped up edited video.
I'd trust Omar over the "senior software engineer", any day.
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