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Autopilot "2.5" hardware released. Available on all cars ordered today

Discussion in 'Autonomous Vehicles' started by Az_Rael, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. Az_Rael

    Az_Rael Supporting Member

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    Tesla has a new Autopilot ‘2.5’ hardware suite with more computing power for autonomous driving

    Tesla still believes that it can achieve the promised full autonomy on the 2.0 suite, but they now say that they could upgrade HW 2.0 cars with the new 2.5 hardware at no cost in the “highly unlikely” possibility that it is actually needed:

    “However, we still expect to achieve full self-driving capability with safety more than twice as good as the average human driver without making any hardware changes to HW 2.0. If this does not turn out to be the case, which we think is highly unlikely, we will upgrade customers to the 2.5 computer at no cost.”
     
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  2. James*

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    I ordered last week, and my car isn't in production yet. Anyone know the likelihood that my car will include this? Did people get things like the lower 0-60 times on cars ordered before they announced?
     
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  3. mitchellh3

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    Its very likely you'll get it.
     
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    This is the key bit of unknown data that is good to be confirmed.
     
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    Well here in Norway they certainly are gonna upgrade past 2.5 to 3 and 4 to get the necessary TFLOPS to get the car to match the FSD-video.
    Question is if the 2.5 help on EAP perfomance also?
     
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    Could be customers who already bought FSD. No guarantee the upgrade cost won't change.
     
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    The cars are advertised as hardware capable whether or not you buy the software. They are on the hook for all 70k+ HW2 cars.
     
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  8. DrivingRockies

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    Pricing is subject to change. Tesla does it often. If you've purchased, I agree. If they choose to up the price of the FSD, that's their option. They don't have to say it's for the hardware change.
     
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    That argument might work on a two year old. And I mean might.
     
  10. BluestarE3

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    Not necessarily. The hardware is there by default, but if the owner doesn't buy the software, then there's no need to automatically retrofit the hardware until the owner later decides to purchase the software. Some owners may never get EAP/FSD.
     
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  11. alcibiades

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    This is simply not true. I bought a car that had the hardware. This is so simple to understand.

    allfsd.jpeg
     
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    #12 BluestarE3, Aug 9, 2017
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    Reread my post more carefully. I never said it didn't have the 2.0 hardware by default. Owners who have paid for EAP/FSD will get the 2.5 hardware retrofit. However, there's no need to automatically retrofit a 2.0 car with 2.5 hardware if the owner did not purchase EAP/FSD. Tesla is selling a capability that requires a combination of hardware and software. If you're choosing not to pay for the software, then by definition you don't have AP capability. You only have basic safety features and you don't need the 2.5 hardware for that basic capability; the existing 2.0 HW is able to handle that nicely. Should you or a subsequent owner decide to add EAP/FSD to the car, then Tesla will need to provide the 2.5 HW retrofit at that time because it's part of the overall AP capability being purchased.
     
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    It wouldn't be an "argument" if they simply changed the price to "more accurately reflect the value" or whatever they said before. They didn't promise you the FSD pricing, just the hardware would be there. They can change price at any time without mentioning the hardware.

    I'm not saying I agree with it or not, just stating.
     
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    Based on estimated stats , Majority of 2.0 owners didnt purchase FSD (including me) . $3000 + $X would cost in future for FSD. Where $X would be directly related to , How much cost that it would take for Tesla to retrofit. Thought Tesla says today X is $1000 it need not be same in future.

    By the way , my car just went to PRODUCTIon today. Not sure if its going to have 2.5 ?
     
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  15. BluestarE3

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    Based on the linked article, the 2.5 hardware started going into cars when the Model 3 was officially launched (July 28?), so you should have it. You may want to verify with Tesla just to be 100% sure.
     
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  16. J1mbo

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    They will upgrade the hardware when the customer pays to activate FSD. What's the big deal?
     
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    He wants to waste everyone's time installing hardware that he doesn't want to activate and can't articulate a constructive reason why.
     
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    Tesla says retrofits are highly unlikely, so it is more likely Tesla will try to make FSD work (well enough / at least on some level) on AP2 hardware rather than retrofit everyone. The retrofit option is just an emergency backdoor they'd rather not use, it seems.

    That is not what the article says, though. It does not even say cars built today get HW 2.5. All it says cars ordered today would get it.

    We don't yet know what the transition/switchover period exactly is. It could be now or even later in the quarter when today's orders start getting built.
     
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    My thought: If they've bumped the hardware, even slightly they are already inclined to think its needed ...
     
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