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Autopilot a fraud? The linked author bets Elon he'll eat a hat if it changes lanes!
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Disagree. "engage the turn signal... when it's safe to do so" isn't an exaggeration. And sensor range is clearly stated. At most you're quibbling about sentence structure.
Look, if you want to do the hat-eating for this guy fine by me. But *somebody* is eating a hat, gosh darn it.
Look, if you want to do the hat-eating for this guy fine by me. But *somebody* is eating a hat, gosh darn it.
Yup. You're quibbling about sentence structure. Thus, let's rewrite it so that we're both happy. "When it's safe to do so, engage the turn signal and Mode S will move itself into the adjacent lane." Does Tesla need a better copy writer? Perhaps. But let's not pull a hamstring stretching for untruth.
And if we're going to split hairs over what is stated, the guy didn't say it had to change lanes safely for him to eat his hat....
"If that Autopilot changes lanes automatically at the touch of a blinker stalk by, say, one year from now, in a series Model D, I will publicly eat a Tesla baseball hat on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube. How about it, Elon?"
"If that Autopilot changes lanes automatically at the touch of a blinker stalk by, say, one year from now, in a series Model D, I will publicly eat a Tesla baseball hat on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube. How about it, Elon?"
I agree with this sentence. It would be great if that was what Tesla said. You probably think this is what Tesla meant to say. No that's not what they meant to say. They intentionally phrased the sentence as shown below because they were talking about the 16 feet ultrasonic sensor zone. Indeed if there is another car within the 16 feet zone (the blind spot zone), the car will wait until it clears and then do the lane change when it's safe.
However this whole thing combined with terms like "auto lane change", "automatically change lanes", gives the impression that you don't have to check mirrors.
Khatsalano
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Can we please stop discussing the car in this thread. This is about hat eating.
"P.S.: If that Autopilot changes lanes automatically at the touch of a blinker stalk by, say, one year from now, in a series Model D, I will publicly eat a Tesla baseball hat on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube. How about it, Elon?" 12/10/2014
Tesla’s game-changing, lane-changing Autopilot? “Currently, there is no radar on the market that can achieve that,†Toyota engineer says - Daily Kanban
... where is the video of Tesla doubter, Bertel Smitt eating a hat?????
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"P.S.: If that Autopilot changes lanes automatically at the touch of a blinker stalk by, say, one year from now, in a series Model D, I will publicly eat a Tesla baseball hat on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube. How about it, Elon?" 12/10/2014
Tesla’s game-changing, lane-changing Autopilot? “Currently, there is no radar on the market that can achieve that,†Toyota engineer says - Daily Kanban
... where is the video of Tesla doubter, Bertel Smitt eating a hat?????
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No Hands, No Feet: Tesla Motors Model S Autopilot: Auto change lanes - YouTube
I would expect Bertel to do the same maneuver first in a Japanese Tesla, before he posts his Tesla baseball hat eat on Twitter / facebook
McMuggets
Member
If you check Bertel's twitter feed, he is weaseling out of the hat-eating. He says it has to be truly hands-free autopilot, not requiring you to have hands resting on the wheel. That's probably impossible for Tesla to state in their manual, because of liability issues. The twitter feed is also riddled with many anti-Tesla autopilot articles and makes it sound as if Tesla failed since people still have to be responsible for their car with autopilot enabled. Obviously biased man.
EarlyAdopter
Active Member
Yes, they'd rear end you. They would also get cited for:
1. Failure to maintain safe following distance
2. Failure to maintain speed
3. Reckless endangerment
and they would be at fault, insurance wise.
This is what the instruction manual says and what Tesla said at the D Event unveiling of Autopilot a year ago. Tesla has been pretty consistent with emphasizing that since, too. People shouldn't treat a marketing site as an instruction manual.
I would agree with a suggestion of rewording on the marketing site from "when it is safe to do so" to "when the driver determines it is safe to do so." But that seems unnecessarily wordy for a marketing site.
Another point: Humans are already pretty bad at remembering to check their side mirrors and blind spots on regular, non-autopilot cars. I'd argue that the case where a car was along side or in the blind spot is a far more common occurrence that the case where someone is speeding up the lane. In either case, a failure to check can result in a collision. It's just that in the along side case an Autopilot car will prevent it.
But, what does this have to do with someone eating a hat? I'm seriously looking forward to that!
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Bertel's statement "If that Autopilot changes lanes automatically at the touch of a blinker stalk by, say, one year from now, in a series Model D, I will publicly eat a Tesla baseball hat on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube. How about it, Elon?"
was demonstrated by Jalopnik, appears to be no hands on the wheel at all, the Tesla initiated and completed the lane change Teslas Autopilot System Is Creepy And Wonderful - YouTube
jgs
Active Member
Yes, exactly. I remember coming away from the D Event with the clear understanding that lane changes would require a human in the loop to check the mirrors. It's not Tesla's fault if the press does what the press always does subsequently.
Notwithstanding, Bertel has clearly and unequivocally lost his bet. The only question remaining is, will he also lose his honor by reneging on it?
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(Wow, looking at Schmitt's Twitter feed -- Denial isn't just a mountain in Alaska, is it?)
Notwithstanding, Bertel has clearly and unequivocally lost his bet. The only question remaining is, will he also lose his honor by reneging on it?
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(Wow, looking at Schmitt's Twitter feed -- Denial isn't just a mountain in Alaska, is it?)
Krugerrand
Meow
There's such a simple way for him to 'eat the hat' without 'eating the hat'. Go to a specialty bake shop, have them make a Tesla ballcap cake - eat it. Seriously, dude.
jgs
Active Member
It would be lame but not as embarrassing as his current public tantrum. If he had any class he'd do as Bob Metcalfe did after he lost his "imminent death of the Internet predicted" bet. Metcalfe ate his damn column. (He did blend it first.) He was wrong as hell, but he had style.
Krugerrand
Meow
jgs
Active Member
Yes, that would be a classy out. I'll have to remember that next time I have to weasel out of eating an item of apparel.
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