Tesla has never made any official statement saying they can't get there with the current software.
You mean besides where they've repeatedly mentioned for months and months now they're having to totally re-write the current software to get there?
But show me any official statement from Tesla that the current software cannot do it.
Elon Musk said:
Pretty much everything had to be rewritten, including our labeling software, so that it’s fundamentally ‘3D’ at every step from training through inference.
HAD to be rewritten.
Not "we decided to rewrite it for funsies!"
And the re-write has been ongoing for a long while now.
The original point was about what their intentions were. City driving was it, as clearly pointed out already. You took it on a different tangent.
The original intention has always been city driving, from day one. Period end of story.
How they get there and with what software is irrelevant.
It's
100% the only thing relevant if your topic is the capabilities of the CURRENT SOFTWARE.
Which it is.
The
current software is intended for use on divided highways with controlled/limited access on/off said roads.
Says so right in the manual.
So complaining it doesn't work well in other places is ignoring the folks who are telling you why it's user error.
The fact the
current software can't work well on city streets is
why they are rewritting 'pretty much everything'
So yeah- that's pretty relevant.
according to you, limited access roadways don't have people turning in front of oncoming traffic. However, stop lights do.
Not "according to me" according to the actual definition of the term.
And there's limited access roadways with stoplights BTW (though they're not super common).
Arguing what aspect of the data affects Autopilot is beside the point.
It's really not though.
You can't correct an error if you don't know where it's coming from.
So knowing where it's coming from is CORE to the point of resolving it.
Although I don't believe the map data is wrong. The point is, AP is not doing what it should as well as it should. It's like a customer saying "my car won't start", and the mechanic saying "well, it's not the car, it's the battery".
No- it'd be like the mechanic saying "It's not the transmission, it's the battery"
Because you keep wanting to blame an irrelevant part of the system that you're unable to show how it could be responsible.
While I'm pointing out where to look to fix the
actual problem
To the customer, the cause of the problem is irrelevant.
Not really.
Different parts are harder or easier to fix than others- and cheaper or costlier to fix than others if you're out of warranty (or it's a non-covered part)
As a customer I sure as hell care a LOT to know
why something isn't working, specifically.
If it's "Speed limit database has the wrong #" that's MUCH easier to fix than "GPS receiver in car is incapable of being precise enough to know what road it's on" for example.
That first one can be fixed with a quick update of one database field.
That second one can't be fixed without hardware changes.
Pretty huge difference.
To anyone reviewing or using AP, the cause is irrelevant. As far they're concerned, AP is behaving erratically. So yes, it's an AP problem.
Except, of course, it's not one.
If you wanna blame other things that aren't the cause- knock yourself out. It's nothing but a waste of time, but hey it's your time.
It's not about using it any which way I want. It's a feature that works at stop lights. I didn't release it. Tesla did. And they wrote the manual too. So your beef should be with Tesla.
Not one of them as said anything about not being able to tweak the current software to not brake too early when a car turns in front of oncoming traffic. If you saw that, please post a link.
The setting appears to fix the braking problem for the roads AP is intended for use on.
It MIGHT help on other roads too (in fact it seems likely it would)- you'd need to try it and find out.
That'd probably be more useful than complaining about it more on here, but again you do you.
I was being very specific. There is a re-write happening because they've hit a wall. What that wall was, we don't know.
Sure we do.
Both Elon and Karpathy have talked about it at some length in various places.
There's an entire forum all about the autonomous driving stuff on here you might wanna check out.
We've already seen videos showing the car turning on its own from start to finish. Some years old. So the capability was there.
The "years old" one was mostly faked... in that they needed something like 500 miles of repeatedly running the like 10 mile same route to get enough footage to show ONE clean run.
So not a great example of anything.
Yes, the rewrite should fix a lot of issues, but assuming the current software can't be tweaked is making an assumption based on no solid facts.
Other than the fact they wouldn't have bothered with an almost total re-write if they just could tweak the current code.
It'd be like sending your car to the junkyard because it got a flat tire.