TMC is an independent, primarily volunteer organization that relies on ad revenue to cover its operating costs. Please consider whitelisting TMC on your ad blocker and becoming a Supporting Member. For more info: Support TMC

AutoPilot Buddy now officially banned in USA!

Discussion in 'Tesla, Inc.' started by MelaniainLA, Jun 19, 2018.

  1. HankLloydRight

    HankLloydRight No Roads

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2014
    Messages:
    12,629
    Location:
    Connecticut
    #101 HankLloydRight, Jun 20, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 20, 2018
    I was thinking battery operated, fits around the steering wheel, and vibrates, something like this for example. (warning: NSFW)
     
    • Funny x 2
  2. GWord

    GWord Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2016
    Messages:
    555
    Location:
    Houston, TX
    Like your hand? The price is right too.
     
  3. Need

    Need Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2017
    Messages:
    2,714
    Location:
    SoCal
    Okay you need to put big warning NOT WORK SAFE! Seriously! :p
     
    • Like x 2
  4. NerdUno

    NerdUno Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2016
    Messages:
    652
    Location:
    Charleston, SC
    Just to state the obvious... Most drivers that fall asleep at the wheel had their hands on the steering wheel. :)

    In Tesla's case, I think this has more to do with Tesla wanting to limit your ability to do something else with your hands such as texting, nose-picking, etc.
     
    • Like x 1
  5. NewTMSMan

    NewTMSMan Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2017
    Messages:
    1,089
    Location:
    USA
    Ah yes, fake data....

    Funny I ran 10 tests this morning and the time it takes for me to actually change the track of the car, while my hand is resting on the bottom of the wheel enough to eliminate the nag is actually slower than when I have my hands off the wheel and am prepared to act.
     
    • Helpful x 2
    • Like x 2
  6. mongo

    mongo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2017
    Messages:
    12,597
    Location:
    Michigan
    My data was not fake, I actually ran the test before responding.

    I am at a loss at how it takes you less time to move your hands to the wheel and then move the wheel than it does to just move the wheel...
     
    • Like x 2
  7. NewTMSMan

    NewTMSMan Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2017
    Messages:
    1,089
    Location:
    USA
    Rest your non dominant hand on the bottom of the wheel with resistive torque to eliminate the nag. Then test how quickly you can actually take corrective action as opposed to having your hands free to move. I am actually quicker without having my hands encumbered to actually correct the track of the car than I am with my hands in an unnatural position resting on the bottom of the wheel with my non-dominant hand.
     
    • Like x 3
  8. mongo

    mongo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2017
    Messages:
    12,597
    Location:
    Michigan
    Like you said, hand at the bottom (esp non-dominant) is going to make evasive maneuvers difficult due to limited range of arm movement.
    It sounds like you are comparing two different cases.
    1. Hand on bottom of wheel
    2. Hands off wheel moving to somewhere other than bottom of wheel
    What if you start with your hand where you put it in use case 2?
     
    • Like x 2
  9. graphic

    graphic Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    121
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    Really!!! All we want is our cars to work like AP1 did before it was ruined by NHTSA. Whether you use an orange, a water bottle, or this device, we just want AP1 functionality. However, I now see why Elon put in nags to keep your hand on the steering wheel, because of the NHTSA and people like you that get all into everybody business and hate on everything until its ruined.
     
    • Disagree x 2
    • Love x 2
    • Like x 1
    • Funny x 1
  10. DarkMatter

    DarkMatter Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2016
    Messages:
    1,074
    Location:
    Olympia, WA
    It's true that it is possible to find a non optimal position to hold your hands while driving. How about keeping your hands on the wheel in a sensible driving position? I find it is both comfortable and eliminates the nags quite well.
     
  11. MorrisonHiker

    MorrisonHiker S 100D 2020.40.4

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2015
    Messages:
    8,601
    Location:
    Colorado
    When we were in Custer last month, we met a lot of fellow drivers and one of them was a nice guy from the east coast who told us about his Autopilot Buddy. He swore by it, saying it was great, especially for those long, straight roads out west.
     
  12. Phrixotrichus

    Phrixotrichus Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2017
    Messages:
    585
    Location:
    Germany
    #112 Phrixotrichus, Jun 20, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 20, 2018
    For some people it seems seriously hard to understand that the AP never was intended to be a hands-free system. The checks if people were using the system as intended were just very lenient.
    And as usual a few idiots ruined it because they proved that you have to force people to behave correctly.

    You`re basically claiming that you have the right to treat a level 2 system like a level 4+ system. Guess what as long as everyone else has to share the road with you you`re wrong and the NHTSA and similar legal organs are absolutely correct here.
    At this point I could actually just say "read the ****ing manual"!
     
    • Like x 1
  13. Electroman

    Electroman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2012
    Messages:
    5,909
    Location:
    TX
    Now the end result is AP is now much less useful, just as stressful as driving yourself - forcing people not to bother turning it on.

    If you not turning it on, there won’t be AP related accidents. If you are not driving the car there won’t be any automobile accidents.

    Problem solved.

    There is a reason why there are no accidents with Nissans pro pilot or Mercedes whatever it is called.
     
    • Disagree x 1
    • Funny x 1
    • Love x 1
  14. graphic

    graphic Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    121
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    Nobody said "Level 4+" you need to read my statement. Dont Asssume I said anything!
     
  15. Phrixotrichus

    Phrixotrichus Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2017
    Messages:
    585
    Location:
    Germany
    #115 Phrixotrichus, Jun 20, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 20, 2018
    You want the nag interval reversed, and since the nags are not a problem if you keep your hands on the wheel and Tesla has no other means to make sure you pay attention you basically want a system that doesn`t bother you and just drives by itself without making sure you`re paying attention at all...
    And that`s level 4!


    Get over it. You will get your comfort back once the tech is actually somewhere near Musk`s promises from 2015-2016....
     
    • Disagree x 2
  16. NewTMSMan

    NewTMSMan Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2017
    Messages:
    1,089
    Location:
    USA
    So, hold the wheel exactly as I would in normal driving and ensure I apply torque to the wheel? Sounds like the definition of driving the car without EAP. Would be arguably, possibly safer.

    As an aside you guys are also keeping your foot resting on the brake as well so that you can react as quickly to braking situations a? If not, why not? Maybe Tesla should add a Brake Nag as well to make everything even safer?
     
    • Like x 1
  17. mongo

    mongo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2017
    Messages:
    12,597
    Location:
    Michigan
    Like it or not, that is method called for in the manual. EAP is aggressive lane assist and adaptive cruise control. It is NOT self driving...

    Non-Tesla owner: if I am in a situation where I think the brake will be needed, I don't use ACC...
    When driving normally, I don't have my foot over the brake either, it's on the accelerator.
     
  18. diplomat33

    diplomat33 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    Messages:
    6,078
    Location:
    Terre Haute, IN USA
    Hopefully, as V9 starts to introduce some self-driving features, we will start seeing less nags until eventually we get none. I think the amount of nags now in 21.9 is probably the most we will see.
     
    • Like x 1
  19. NewTMSMan

    NewTMSMan Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2017
    Messages:
    1,089
    Location:
    USA
    Sorry does this mean you do not own a Tesla? I am confused now.
     
  20. mongo

    mongo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2017
    Messages:
    12,597
    Location:
    Michigan
    No, I currently do not (7 miles commute and 6'8" height do not align with current product line, waiting to replace pickup truck)
     
    • Funny x 1

Share This Page

  • About Us

    Formed in 2006, Tesla Motors Club (TMC) was the first independent online Tesla community. Today it remains the largest and most dynamic community of Tesla enthusiasts. Learn more.
  • Do you value your experience at TMC? Consider becoming a Supporting Member of Tesla Motors Club. As a thank you for your contribution, you'll get nearly no ads in the Community and Groups sections. Additional perks are available depending on the level of contribution. Please visit the Account Upgrades page for more details.


    SUPPORT TMC