fasteddie7
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Or they increase the FSD cost for those who only purchased AEP. I love how quickly Tesla moves but it opens some doors to issues like this.
Autopilot HW2.5!?
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boaterva
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Exactly, those are the people who would 'get' FSD immediately, and they've already paid cash for it.
It's only upgradable for free if 2.0 can't handle EAP/FSD, which they stated is highly unlikely. It's just going to be like silent latches or new FWD switches where there's a newer revision but they will not proactively change it for everybody. It doesn't mean everyone will get HW 2.5 from 2.0.
In the article it states "Today" as in referencing starting today August 9th and beyond if you place an order, you'll get the 2.5HW.
My order was confirmed August 1st and it still hasn't reached production yet. I'm wondering If I will get it or if it's something I should mention to my OA.
My order was confirmed August 1st and it still hasn't reached production yet. I'm wondering If I will get it or if it's something I should mention to my OA.
I would think that they meant cars to be produced. Considering how they're still not great at scheduling with people's delivery times varying by a month, I hardly imagine they know the exact time frame of when a car would go into production after being ordered. But I'm just spit-balling here.
I think of it being similar to how they introduced the fact that all cars are now outfitted with the cameras and sensors to support FSD -- they released that news after they already made the changes to the production process. Same thing here because having changed the production process is the only way to be able to state such an assertion (that all cars will now have HW 2.5).
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What makes it a bit different this time is that Tesla did not really proactively announce this change, but HW 2.5 was found out already weeks ago on TMC through research into the AP codebase and Model 3 launch, and Tesla was reacting now to this news spreading...
Tesla's hand was possibly forced this time (to avoid people delaying new orders), so who knows when the changeover exactly occurs, other than when today's orders start getting built later in the quarter. They might still be building through old AP HW backlog as we speak.
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appreciate this, just don't think that it had been discussed in the MX forums yet.
Tesla doesn't even have internal bulletins or information to share at the customer facing level. The article quotes unnamed sources too - kind of odd all around.
I would suspect those that pre-paid for FSD will get an upgrade to what ever is needed, if it is needed.
Those that did not pay/lock in up front, may see the price go up, or the option to upgrade to it removed.
Overall I would not worry, this hardware is going to evolve, as it dos not make sense for it to stay static for more then about 18-24 months tech wise, as long as the software is compatible.
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Those that did not pay/lock in up front, may see the price go up, or the option to upgrade to it removed.
Overall I would not worry, this hardware is going to evolve, as it dos not make sense for it to stay static for more then about 18-24 months tech wise, as long as the software is compatible.
-Harry
Tesla is obviously trying to walk a tightrope with these changes Model 3 is ushering into the products - they don't want to publicize things anymore than they have to so that deliveries are not unduly endangered...
Of course, though to be clear this time it took merely 7-9 months from AP2 to AP2.5 depending on how you calculate.
The constant changes obsoleting existing products is a legitimate concern to some customers. There is Tesla history in non-latest productsbgetting less software support for example and not meeting previous promises...
I'm just interested in who could represent Tesla in that article and claim upgrades would be done free of charge if it limited autonomous driving. Checking with Tesla they don't have an official statement like that which would lead me to believe the aricle is problematic for them.
My concern is the multiple lines of code for the same platform (car) and when "end of life" happens for certain cars. At some point SW upgrades to 5 year old platforms must be challenging if not impossible. Supercharging was unlimited forever until it wasn't. Free downloads in your garage might be on that same list in the future. Not to sound like chicken little, it just seems like the platform will reach limits.
If it were stated that clearly from HQ that they will safe harbor customers it shouldn't really hold anyone back from purchase.
Anyone who has owned a Classic Model S (pre-AP) certainly knows what happens to upgrades, they will be less and limited mostly to whatever system is the same in old cars as in the current cars. So when the current CID is retired (possibly soon), it seems possible even less upgrades come to these old cars. It makes less sense for Tesla to upgrade something that is no longer selling new cars and there is history that they do let this affect their upgrade plans. (The CID is just an example of software update history, not related to AP of course.)
So yes, there definitely is a concern what happens to AP1 and AP2 ugprades now that AP2.5 is out. AP2 should be safe on some level as a subset of AP 2.5 due to the promises Tesla has made, but who knows... Tesla does have a history of missing promises on older hardware and using newer hardware to fulfill those promises, leaving older owners in the cold (P85D/P90DL Vx performance is one example, missing promised features in AP1 another etc.).
I think Tesla is walking the tightrope of saying just enough to the public to keep the sales going and limit liability and risk of osborning products by not saying too much or being too exact. Talking to Electrek just enough to keep the most knowledgeable new buyers and enthusiasts buying their cars, but not say or announce too much to the wider world, would fit that... It is IMO all about keeping those quarterly sales moving and staying vague enough on stuff so that they can change things whenever they want...
There are tons of cars e.g. in the international pipeline with older AP hardware and any other "missing" things the Model 3 changes have caused them to miss that Tesla wants to deliver. Too much publicity could harm that...
Just speculation, of course.
Don't forget when Tesla can't meet previous promises, they push an update out, to their website, not your car, by removing the said features.
Indeed, there is a history of just conveniently (and actively) forgetting about certain promises.
So there certainly is cause for some alarm when things like this happens. We don't know if this is the case there Tesla follows through or runs away.
I was able to get a written response from my delivery specialist that my car had the HW and it was built in June. I have no idea how the verified it, but I have the email and I will keep it handy for the future
I was able to get a written response from my delivery specialist that my car had the HW and it was built in June. I have no idea how the verified it, but I have the email and I will keep it handy for the future
Interesting, thanks for the info. Someone checked (on another thread? site?) another recently built car some days/weeks ago and it didn't have the HW 2.5. This was probably discussed in the Autonomous Vehicles sub-forum on TMC.
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