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Autopilot lane keeping still not available over 6 months after delivery

Discussion in 'Model S' started by wk057, Jul 2, 2015.

  1. tezzla

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    Who gives a crap about what WK057 does? He's not hurting anyone, he's not insulting anyone, he's stating his opinions. He is only responding to questions directed toward him, if you guys leave it alone he'll probably stop responding also. Get a life people!

    For the record, I agree 100% with wk057, we are in lock-step on just about every point (including considering a Tesla buyout). Selling the car for a (another) big loss, is just cutting off the nose to spite the face.
     
  2. Troy

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    WK057, maybe complaining in forum topics is not the best idea. It achieves little and has a bunch of negative effects. Today I read about Norwegian P85D owners complaining to a consumer watchdog. There is a topic here: Tesla may be forced to compensate owners of P85D in Norway That seems like a proper way to complain about a consumer issue if you feel misled. Surely there are similar organizations in other countries. How about BBB? Tesla responds to complains through BBB even though they are not BBB accredited. You can read some of the complaints and Tesla's response here. I guess you are looking for compensation for the time autopilot was late and an apology for the delay. I don't think a forum topic is going to help. You could give that a try and see if Tesla and you can find a resolution through that channel.
     
  3. Andyw2100

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    #2383 Andyw2100, Oct 21, 2015
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    It seems pretty simple to me. He's very happy with the car and very unhappy with the company. If the company changes direction, and becomes more like the company it was a couple of years ago, he may once again be happy with the company and willing to do business with them.

    I don't think there is anything inconsistent, irrational, or whatever negative term you'd like to attribute to that sentiment about that at all.
     
  4. wk057

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    lol. So apparantly no answer would have been good enough for you. You apparently think I'm a fool. Obviously there can be no reasonable discussion with you. I defer to Andy's response.

    Agreed.

    While I don't expect many have read all 2300+ posts in this thread, if you had you would know I've already been communicating with Tesla on the issues. Unfortunately the process is super slow, but I have been doing my best to chat with them about it. Given that I'd like to give the company a chance to make things right, jumping to legal action or similar venues I think is probably not the best idea in that case. Eventually I'll likely come to the conclusion that the informal discussions aren't getting anywhere and proceed from there.

    I'm glad to see owners in Norway taking action. I feel that I've been pretty kind to Tesla on this issue in my dealings with them. The fact that I'm not the only owner with the same concerns is reassuring.

    Also, for the record, I never expect my forum posts to result in any action by Tesla. If I want action from Tesla, I contact Tesla, which I have done. My postings on the topic have been more to make sure others are aware of the issues despite the army of people willing to defend Tesla to the death.
     
  5. Soolim

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    Thanks for that.:smile:
     
  6. kennybobby

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    Many thanks to you for sharing your experiences and technical findings about these amazing electric cars.
     
  7. dhanson865

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    I've read other people that have gotten this message from the forum. You sir are the first to cause that message for me.
     
  8. Canuck

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    #2388 Canuck, Oct 22, 2015
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    Nice try. I have criticised Tesla a lot but I keep it in proportion. I see Tesla as really important for the future of my children, and their children, so I don't go leading a charge to inflict major damage against them at every turn when they make mistakes, as all companies do. You are obviously very knowledgeable and respected by people here. I find it a shame that you use that to harm Tesla as much as you can, rather than criticise them in proportion to the good they are doing. I would never tell you to stop criticizing, only to tone it down (not that you'd listen) so I came at you from a different angle regarding why you still own the car and if you would buy another.

    You have no doubt stopped many, many people from buying a Tesla. That should weigh on your conscience, rather than having you wear it as a badge, and I find that sad. Not only sad for me, because I won't see the worst effects of climate change, but more sad for my children and future generations. I guess in the long run your harming of Tesla, deserving or not, won't make any difference to the climate, and we are circling the drain already. But still, it really bothers me how quick you are to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    You also have a strong tendency to look for sympathy and support, telling people your are leaving so they will beg you to stay. Then continuing to post. I also find that sad. There's no need to test your support. You have the majority of support here and not me. That's clear from the posts above.

    But I don't post for support. I post for... well, I said why above.
     
  9. Vuvision

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    Same here. Unlike some of the posters who prefer to sweep things under the rug, wk057 is a wealth of informed technical knowledge. Please keep up the good work speaking out on our behalf.
     
  10. Jaff

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    This^^^^^I wholly agree that the incessant nitpicking by some, of in some cases very minor defects (in what will always be an imperfect man made product), probably has prevented some folks from buying an EV (any brand, not just Tesla)...and that's a shame.
     
  11. Soolim

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    I think implying that criticism from wk057 has prevented potential owner from buying Tesla MS cannot be easily nor accurately quantified. Providing information to the buyers to be aware of the "overly optimistic" product description for the buyer to make an informed decision is a valued contribution to the forum, imho.
     
  12. tezzla

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    All blame is courtesy of Tesla's constant subterfuge of their numbers/claims (website & Elon).
     
  13. Plan B

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    #truth
     
  14. wk057

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    Nice try as well. I don't think you even read my posts outside of this thread (including some in this thread) at all if you believe the nonsense you just wrote. lol.

    Personally I couldn't care less about what vision the company has if they're going to go about it in ways that mislead customers. We don't need that crap. They can have the grand vision of an EV for every man woman and child without screwing customers on specs and promises. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that and why pointing out when they do this seems to offend so many people like yourself.

    As for my leaving, I did exactly as I said I would and that was stay away from the controversial threads that were causing me off-forum grief while a police investigation into that harassment was underway. (The details of which are none of your business.)

    In any case, it doesn't matter to me what you think. It's pretty obvious we're never going to agree on these issues.
     
  15. dsm363

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    mod note: why don't we move on from this. The software is out so debating that part or motivations around this really serve no purpose.
     
  16. Andyw2100

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    Like wk057, I have, at times, been critical of Tesla, as have many others on this forum. I can't completely speak for anyone else, but I know most of my criticism is aimed at getting Tesla to improve, and become the company that they can be. I think that is probably true of most people here who have been critical of Tesla.

    Almost without exception everyone here agrees Tesla makes great cars. The things we disagree on revolve around how Tesla treats its customers, how Tesla markets its products, how Tesla communicates, etc. These are all things that a company must do well if it is going to succeed in the long term. Right now Tesla is succeeding because their product is far and away better than any competitive product. That's not going to be the case forever. If Tesla is going to succeed long-term, they need to fix the problems. I think wk057 and other posters like him, who are critical of some of what Tesla is doing, may help them do that.
     
  17. wk057

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    You can't cherry pick half of a sentence that is distinctly qualified by something important. I've had enough of this. Mods are welcome to close this thread since trying to have discussions with walls is not very productive.
     
  18. yo mama

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    #2398 yo mama, Oct 22, 2015
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    Ironic. I'm constantly warned that walls have ears.
     
  19. bonnie

    bonnie I play a nice person on twitter.

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    Ditto. The criticism has been fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But this thread has definitely taken on the aroma of a horse that's not only been beat to death, but is out lying under the blazing sun and stinking to high heaven.

    Everyone has a right to feel they got what they paid for. No one is arguing that. But my personal opinion is that context has been lost in the battle to convince everyone of the *rightness* of one position and the quest to destroy sales. Not everyone here cares about the environment, global warming, dependence on foreign oil. I get that.

    But from where I sit, it's a shame that some have been scared off not by a story of something not delivered, but by the repeated telling of the story in not only this thread, but other threads too.
     
  20. Andyw2100

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    #2400 Andyw2100, Oct 22, 2015
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    I'm not sure we can say for certain that anyone has been scared off from buying a Tesla because of this thread. But for argument's sake, let's assume a few people have been. If this thread prevented five or ten people from buying a Tesla, but somehow in the long run helps Tesla change for the better, isn't that good for Tesla? The cost of those five or ten lost customers now might be offset a thousand times over by five thousand or ten thousand customers Tesla wouldn't otherwise have in the future.
     

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