Autopilot Options

[JeffK]

What are the other sources? Is it from sales/property tax?

Who Pays for Roads? | Frontier Group

here's a random pdf from Ohio (from 2011) which they're also counting license and registration fees with the gas tax.
http://www.policymattersohio.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Highways_2011920.pdf

 

[Topher]

I think governments should be spending more money on research to make roads last longer

Already done. It's called trains. Seriously, the vast majority of all road damage is from large trucks. 1 18-wheeler does as much damage as 9,600 cars. Taxing cars, at their actual damage rate, probably isn't even worth doing.

Thank you kindly.

 

[KZKZ]

Highway autopilot? You mean like the old school Tesla Autopilot that could possibly hit stationary vans... that was so last week. We want the newer, better, safer, autopilot.

M3 definitely needs AP2.0, not the hardware challenged AP1.0

 

[Striker3000s]

It will be interesting to see what 2.0 is. Fortunately it sounds like we will not have to wait till next year but rather late this year.

 

[KZKZ]

I hope so. I think the S will get AP2.0 long before the M3 comes out.

I'm sure AP2.0 will get stereo cameras and a better forward looking radar system. The current system doesn't look that far ahead, or have as wide of view as other vehicle's radar systems. Stereo cameras would help with AP seeing stationary objects and pedestrians.

A rear looking radar would be nice too, but that may not make the M3 due to costs. We'll see.

 

[tsla007]

just give me cruise control please-someone just died using autopilot.

 

[JeffK]

just give me cruise control please-someone just died using autopilot.

That person in that situation would have died with or without autopilot. You cannot stop for what you cannot see in time.

 

[alseTrick]

just give me cruise control please-someone just died using autopilot.

How many people die every day in vehicles that don't have autopilot?

Maybe you just shouldn't drive.

 

[cronosx]

just give me cruise control please-someone just died using autopilot.

you can simply use the cruise control.. no one is forcing you to use the auto-steer or the auto-pilot, i don't see the problem.

 

[Gilzo]

That person in that situation would have died with or without autopilot. You cannot stop for what you cannot see in time.

You're completely speculating if he would have died with or without autopilot. We don't know any details on what he was doing in the car.

Question is why didn't he see it or why didnt he see it in time? We could speculate with many different answers.

- Was he not looking at the road due to over confidence in autopilot and or tacc? Don't know
- Was he sleeping? Don't know
- Was it a medical issue? Don't know
- Was he speeding? Don't know
- Did he sneeze? Don't know
- Did he see it and for whatever reason didn't intervene? Don't know. (As a side note, years ago I was involved in a minor accident as a passenger when my friend dropped his cigarette accidentally in the car while he was driving. We both saw the car stopped in front of us but he still hit it as he paid more attention to the cig than the car in front)

Point is we have no clue on what the driver was doing for him to allegedly not see the truck. To say he would have hit it with or without AP is crazy talk. One could make the argument that if he didn't have AP engaged, he wouldn't have hit it...but we just don't know...we dont have all the facts.

 

[Jayc]

That person in that situation would have died with or without autopilot. You cannot stop for what you cannot see in time.

I agree that this accident may have been unavoidable with or without AP - will have to wait for investigations to conclude to find out details.

However, I think we have to take a step back and remind ourselves that AP is still in beta. The risk is in users choosing to ignore this or just initially knowingly ignoring and later forgetting it is beta status and trusting it fully. You only have do a search on youtube to find various stunts involving AP.

I am reminded of the first thing my driving instructor said just before we started our very first lesson years ago. He told me to never ever forget that we are sitting in a killer machine underneath all the fancy exterior - that the slightest mistake can kill or be killed by it.

IMO basic fundamentals still apply - until and unless it is guaranteed to work 100%, AP should only be used as a driving aid.

 

[ModelNforNerd]

The Associated Press is reporting that he was watching a Harry Potter movie, and it was still playing when police arrived on-scene. It wasn't clear from the article if he had hacked it to play on the screen, or if he had a laptop or something else he was watching it on.

Either way, sad, and entirely avoidable. AutoPilot is not Level 4 autonomy, as the multitude of warnings will tell you.

 

[JeffK]

You're completely speculating if he would have died with or without autopilot. We don't know any details on what he was doing in the car.

Question is why didn't he see it or why didnt he see it in time? We could speculate with many different answers.

It's not speculation if we know that neither the driver nor autopilot hit the brakes... No matter how much you trust autopilot a human driver will naturally react to an impending accident (see studies with Russian prisoners). For the driver not to tap the brakes at all means he was unaware or otherwise incapacitated. Therefore it's correct to assume autopilot or no autopilot it would have been the same result. Everything you're saying we don't know still validates the same conclusion.

Without driver intervention, if I set a normal car on cruise control it would have crashed, Tesla on autopilot (autopilot doesn't do lateral passing vehicles) it would have crashed, no cruise control but driver distracted... still would have crashed. It's a no win situation unless you, the car, or both are aware the truck began its turn and could also detect and respond to lateral passing vehicles.

 

[JeffK]

The Associated Press is reporting that he was watching a Harry Potter movie, and it was still playing when police arrived on-scene. It wasn't clear from the article if he had hacked it to play on the screen, or if he had a laptop or something else he was watching it on.

The associated press are quoting the truck driver not the police. The truck driver claimed the tesla driver was watching a harry potter movie and then later said that he never saw it but maybe thought he heard it.

 

[cronosx]

Since there is a big thread on it in the model S forum, can we just close this and continue on the other thread?

 

[JeffK]

This thread was technically about autopilot options and not the crash

 

[cronosx]

you didn't read it, did you? it's all about the crash, who is liable, why it happened etc, i read here the exact same words used on the other thread. ( i'm talking about the last post )

 

[JeffK]

you didn't read it, did you? it's all about the crash, who is liable, why it happened etc, i read here the exact same words used on the other thread. ( i'm talking about the last post )

Yeah, I'm totally trolling both threads.

 

[ecarfan]

Now that we've seen Elon say, "we'll do the obvious thing," in reference to autonomous capabilities of their cars, including the Model 3, any thoughts on pricing?
Will they make 1 level of AP, and at the same price, or will we get 2 options depending on just how much capability we want?

There will not be multiple AP options offering differing levels of capability, it will be a single option.

just give me cruise control please-someone just died using autopilot.

Every Tesla comes standard with "traditional" non-AP cruise control capability (not TACC). So you can have exactly what you want. TACC comes with the AP option.

you didn't read it, did you? it's all about the crash, who is liable, why it happened etc, i read here the exact same words used on the other thread. ( i'm talking about the last post )

See the OP, which I quote at the top of this post. That is what this thread is about, and that is what all the posts have been about up to the last few posts.

 

[JeffK]

I personally hope that an autopilot v2.0 comes with a HUD to better display what it's sensing/doing. With Tesla's new UI update version 8 for Model S/X they are focusing more on informing the driver what autopilot is sensing.

Without an instrument cluster screen on the 3 I wonder how they are going to do this.