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Autopilot Retrofit on Classic P85 - Done by wizkid057!

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wk057... You mentioned how difficult the rear bumper cover was to install/align correctly. Wonder if you can elaborate or if you have additional photos showing this part of the process. My classic car had a minor parking lot incident in its first week of life back in 2013 and the Tesla-certified shop that replaced the rear bumper never quite got the alignment right and are simply not as picky as I am. Thinking of making some adjustments myself.
 
How on earth did you get the firmware/software update?

All cars have all of the firmware for everything. It's just a matter of configuring the car properly before deploying the firmware.

This was my plan from the start since now I can get my "classic" non-AP S done next, right WK057? We go way back, and we're the best of friends. Always getting along so well! ;)

lol. I guess parts would be a grey area. ;) They're not really a retail product, per se. Most of the parts came from salvage cars, though, anyway. And I'm not doing any more retrofits... my back is still aching from doing this one.

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I guess you "win" anyway, since I reserved two Model 3. Admittedly, I feel Tesla has been improving in most aspects since the P85D fiasco. If they can hold up promises for the Model 3 then I'll have some faith restored. Otherwise I'll just get my $2k back.

I still don't like the new TMC... "Notable Members" is still 100% post count based, which is stupid. The 20 posts per page limitation is never going away, which is a huge downgrade. There are many other little things, and the rep loss is just icing on the going away cake. I'm still lurking, but I've admittedly been finding my Tesla news fix elsewhere most of the time and only really land here when someone links me. This will be my second post this month on TMC. Overall, I've just severely curtailed my TMC usage from up to a dozen posts per day down to a few per month. And I'm quite OK with that. I particularly like having 100% control over my content on my own little site, also.
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However, I didn't read anything in there that explains how the pre-AP car steers itself -- are there already actuators for steering in non-AP cars? Did I miss something? I re-scanned the posting and even searched for "steer" and only found the part about the levers.

The EPAS module (electric power assisted steering) is the same on all of the cars and is connected to the chassis CAN bus. The firmware allows the AP module to control steering via CAN.

wk057... You mentioned how difficult the rear bumper cover was to install/align correctly. Wonder if you can elaborate or if you have additional photos showing this part of the process. My classic car had a minor parking lot incident in its first week of life back in 2013 and the Tesla-certified shop that replaced the rear bumper never quite got the alignment right and are simply not as picky as I am. Thinking of making some adjustments myself.

I have a few more photos around, but probably not really helpful. It was a huge pain. Have to remove most of the underbody cover screws in the rear, and aligning it to my liking for the reinstall took me the better part of a few hours. You'll likely make things worse if you try to remove it again. I almost broke some clips on the mount in the process. Probably would break if I removed it again.

If it were me, I would swap cars with wife, at least for a month or two, just to make sure everything is safe. Not to say anything wk057 did is not safe, but just in case.

She has been driving my car for the past couple of weeks while I've been working on her car. I plan to keep it for a bit longer to be completely confident in the work, but everything is working perfectly. Not really anything to go wrong that would cause any major problems that would be a safety issue, IMO.

Unfortunately, my car was damaged this week in an accident and will be going in for repairs soon. I'll be pretty much not driving the ICE loaner I'll end up with, so we'll be making heavy use of the P85 in the meantime.

They probably did at some point already but he said he doesnt want to work for a company like that. I dont blame him after everything they pulled. I think he serve the community best by doing these hack as oppose to working for tesla.

I don't really want to work for Tesla. I'd never have the freedom I have now if I did, for one. I doubt the pay would be enough. And I'm never moving to California. I had been informally offered positions by multiple contacts at Tesla, which I declined for the reasons stated. Some have suggested that I accept at least a temporary position there in an attempt to effect some positive change as possible, but I doubt that I'd have that kind of freedom or authority to actually do so.

Also, someone asked about the autopilot activation fee aspect of this on Reddit and I'll mention it here. I had thought a bit about it and considered a few aspects. One, my wife's car has the tech package, and this was all that was needed to get autopilot features at some point. Two, the bulk of the required hardware came from a couple of salvage vehicles (including the AP module itself) which both already had autopilot enabled. Plus, Tesla made a few bucks off of me on the parts I couldn't reasonably acquire from salvages. So, I think Tesla is still in the black on this one.
 
I think any fee goes out the window the moment you spend money obtaining parts and adding components to your car that were not there before. If people want to talk about enabling features that exist on the car already and are just software disabled (AP, Supercharging, etc) that's one thing but you're talking about adding something to the car that it didn't have before. It's never money Tesla could have captured because the car didn't have the hardware for them to ever charge for that. Kind of a silly thing for someone to complain about in my opinion.

Other than that, I have had thoughts of doing this and those all went out the window with this thread. No way. I'll steer it myself before I go through this non-sense.

One question though, and it's not necessarily specific to this retrofit but are the AP sensors (other than the camera and front radar) basically just long range sonar? It appears they are just long range parking sensors or am I oversimplifying?
 
Outstanding. :)

But this is why we can never jump to the conclusion that Tesla are neglecting loyal customers if they refuse to perform retrospective upgrades.

Some things are just too crazy to do.
 
I guess you "win" anyway, since I reserved two Model 3.

In addition to that unbelievable brain you have, you're also a class act, wk057. While we've had our differences, I always admired and respected you. How could anyone not? I hope I can meet you in person over a couple of beers one day.

And as to the "win", whose driving around in a non-AP car?

I expect you back here more often. And by the way, this love fest is over... I'm taking you with me next time over to the snippiness thread, just for old time's sake.. ;)
 
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In addition to that unbelievable brain you have, you're also a class act, wk057. While we've had our differences, I always admired and respected you. How could anyone not? I hope I can meet you in person over a couple of beers one day.

And as to the "win", whose driving around in a non-AP car?

I expect you back here more often. And by the way, this love fest is over... I'm taking you with me next time over to the snippiness thread, just for old time's sake.. ;)

I threw up a little in my mouth.
 
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Unfortunately, my car was damaged this week in an accident and will be going in for repairs soon. I'll be pretty much not driving the ICE loaner I'll end up with, so we'll be making heavy use of the P85 in the meantime.

Are you going to post any pictures of the damage to your car and/or the truck?

Does the GPS not work on you dashcam? (The speed is just listed with dashes.)
 
Wonder if it would be easier to retrofit/upgrade autopilot 1.0 to 2.0?

That'll probably be easier to tell once we know what AP 2.0 is. :)

If the schematic from the other thread is correct, and 2.0 (or more likely 1.5) only adds a couple more cameras in the main module, then the upgrade might be very simple - especially if the windshield mount is the same.

If it adds rear cameras and radars it might be a lot harder, but I'd assume it'll be easier than this was - I doubt they'll change the Ultrasonics and brake system like he had to.
 
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Wonder if it would be easier to retrofit/upgrade autopilot 1.0 to 2.0?

I am wondering about that too. I would pay 10-20K for Tesla to upgrade my hardware to Autopilot 2.0 but I don't know if they could or would do that.

I am so impressed by what wk057 did with the Autopilot retrofit. This is coming from someone who was scared to do a DIY install for the Blackvue camera on my Tesla. You are the man!
 
Thought for a moment the OP had the alias in the title wrong, and accidentally confused wk057 with another person - wizkid057, who is legendary in Bitcoin circles (literally).

I just now realize I was daft this whole time and the wizkid057 bitcoin Github checkins are actually directly signed as Jason Hughes. Doh!

I was actually using his 'Eligius' pool for 2 years until 2014. Small world.

Geez... Jason has done as much for Bitcoin as he has done for Tesla. Can't wait to see what his next project is on that side - apparently something new is coming up. May have to dust of the my old Babyjet and Ants just for fun - pity we're heading into summer now. Oh well.
 
Thought for a moment the OP had the alias in the title wrong, and accidentally confused wk057 with another person - wizkid057, who is legendary in Bitcoin circles (literally).

I just now realize I was daft this whole time and the wizkid057 bitcoin Github checkins are actually directly signed as Jason Hughes. Doh!

I was actually using his 'Eligius' pool for 2 years until 2014. Small world.

Geez... Jason has done as much for Bitcoin as he has done for Tesla. Can't wait to see what his next project is on that side - apparently something new is coming up. May have to dust of the my old Babyjet and Ants just for fun - pity we're heading into summer now. Oh well.

I didn't put this together either. Mind blown!
 
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