lose 177 lbs?In my country, the average person could make up for that extra weight simply by going on a diet.
Also, the Model S probably has the lightest AWD system that actually works, the 85D only weights 177 lbs more than it's RWD counterpart.
Yes. I think it's only still an option to let people that live in climates like southern California save a few bucks. But the 85D is superior in every way to the 85 or the P85.
This really seems like just a troll thread...
However to me AWD takes an extra 177lbs, costs $5k and a big ole chunk of frunk space and it doesn't get you anything substantial. RWD has plenty of traction for me, even in the snow.
AWD is just a marketing tool thats been used by Subaru and Audi.
Uhhh, no? Driving Range for the Model S Family | Tesla Motors
Are we just making stuff up now? 70D gets 10 miles more range than 70 on the same charge.
You need to check your data. Sounds like you're applying ICE powertrain analogies to an EV.
Texas Instruments vs. Hewlett Packard calculators
DISCLAIMER: I have never used either, but do remember learning about them in a CS "history lesson"
Hopefully by the time I have to replace there will be something like a 120 RWD with the same perf as a current P85, so that I don't have to go AWD. Also, the 120 RWD should coincide nicely with the autopilot release...
Just to feed the troll some more....
Ferrari La Ferrari is RWD... nuff said.
typically traction limited...I can't think of any other 4 door saloon car that gets close to the 0-60 that isn't AWD The P85 was more traction than power limited
I'll say it, before someone else does, the Porsche 918 is AWD (And yes it was faster round Laguna)
Enough with the hyperbole. Yes it can go around a track. Maybe not as many times as you like or at the speed that you like.Quite simply the steering on the Model S is numb and uninvolving, it can't go round a track
Assists in the way + driver experience + tires were the issues for my P85D.no P85D has been faster than a P85 or S85 at Laguna as far as I know....anyone?
If you read the text in your link, not just look at the headline numbers it backs up Tesla's spreadsheet for the ranges in city/highway/combined. You obviously can't be bothered, so here it is in bite size form:
85 RWD 262.7/ 266.8 / 265
85 AWD 257.1/ 285.3 / 270
70 AWD 242.8 / 246.4 / 240* (*Intentionally under represented by Tesla, presumably to avoid cannibalizing 85 sales)
So my RWD Tesla is obsolete, and not suitable for use in the rain ? Are you suggesting I ask for a refund as it's clearly not fit for purpose I've driven mine in snow and ice, rain and shine, and it's just worked.
Drink up the AWD KoolAid sold to you by Audi, then rehashed by Elon because he's missed the deadline on the X.
Quite simply the steering on the Model S is numb and uninvolving, it can't go round a track, and apart from being blistering 0-60 is a one trick pony as a performance car. It makes a fantastic daily driver for sure. But it can't hide it's original design intent, a big comfortable exec cruiser, and if you must have AWD then the S85D is probably the pick of the range.
ludicrous is a poor fit for the character of the car.
If Elon was right, and I plan on testing it, 1G laterally is significant. I have first hand experience with the P90D on twisty roads and so far nobody has kept up. It doesn't mean there aren't cars that can, but it isn't a one trick pony.
In cases where AWD is available for the money I could spend, I.E, CTS 3.6 AWD instead of CTS 3.6 RWD, Magnum 5.7 R/T AWD instead of Magnum 5.7 Hemi RWD etc etc... I'd certainly pick AWD simply for the fact of knowing that it would hug the road better. However, to say that RWD makes a car obsolete is IMO simply absurd for many reasons... a RWD car CAN be driven on rough weather conditions as long as you know what you are doing. .
A guy with one leg can use a crutch too.
IMHO, anything more than ~75HP per wheel needs all wheels driven. If any gear in a car gives you sufficient torque to overcome dry traction, that gear is the result of stupidity.
Purpose built race cars which almost never experience speeds where this condition happens don't count. That's a corner case optimization that never happens in real life unless you're buying a track car.