AWD non-performance HP and Torque?

[jcfletch17]

I was wondering why the horsepower and torque specs for the AWD non-performance Model 3 are so hard to come by? I’ve heard some guesses but does anyone have any solid numbers or a link to anyone who has measured? Much appreciated.

 

[Swampgator]

I've been trying to find the same thing myself for a while. EPA says AWD is 450 hp and P is 480. All of the major publications list 450 for the P, with no corrections from Tesla, and not one has tested a regular AWD. Of course, HP and Torque for both would be identical except for Tesla limiting the Torque on the AWD for the first few thousand RPMs.

 

[groovidad]

The one thing I've seen, consistently, is 450 hp for a AWD, non-P. Torque is another thing. It's seems to be between 420-512 tfp. Dynos should bear out numbers consistently.
This info, though not confirmed by TESLA, is what guided my buying a AWD, non-P. 1 Sec slower in the 0-60 didn't really have me drooling for the P. Of course, stiffer suspension, beefier brakes, spoiler, top speed, lowered and 20" rims are the other aspects lost. For those that jumped on the P-wagon, kudos!

 

[thewishmaster]

AWD is 346hp: Tesla Model 3 Performance first drive: The best Tesla yet? (and some other articles).

 

[aliengar0]

Wikipedia has the stats

 

[SSedan]

For clarity sake I would not compare these numbers to ICE, the torque curve being so different makes a 350hp electric a good bit quicker than ICE even if heavier.

 

[Zoomit]

AWD is 346hp: Tesla Model 3 Performance first drive: The best Tesla yet? (and some other articles).

Except the LR was dyno’d to 340hp/340ft-lb, so 346hp is low for an LRD.

go to 3:00

 

[thewishmaster]

Except the LR was dyno’d to 340hp/340ft-lb, so that number is low.

go to 3:00

The LR is rated at ~283hp, but dyno readings can vary. For example, I read somewhere that the Tesla ratings are at a 50% SOC, which seems believable: Mountain Pass Performance Tests Tesla Model 3 Power At Different States Of Charge (#CleanTechnica Exclusive) | CleanTechnica . I'm sure actual dynos for an AWD and P3D would be higher than rated as well, but I expect the differences between the various models to hold if they are all dynoed under similar conditions.

 

[Zoomit]

I expect the differences between the various models to hold if they are all dynoed under similar conditions.

...so the LRD should have around 434hp with a full charge? [=340/271*346]

 

[cdeleo]

I've also been looking for some dyno results on the awd non p

 

[groovidad]

Wikipedia has the stats

Though, I appreciate any data, "Wikipedia" is not an acceptable reference for any college or university. Thus, I place little belief in what is posted. That said, Autoweek has credibility, which is referenced in the specs of the Wikipedia submission. I've seen several Dyno on the M3 DM LR which show much higher than "346" hp. I suppose the only way to truly know is to run a personal Dyno(?). Regardless, the non-P and P are insanely fast! As has been mentioned, electric torque is not comparable to ICE specs, accordingly.

 

[Wildbill]

So, no one has dyno’d a Model 3 AWD yet?

So, what is the official, real life hp for AWD? The EPA rating or Wikipedia?

 

[Wildbill]

EPA rates the front motor and rear motor as 147 kW and 188 kW

2018 Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD

If you add the front and rear motor (147+188)=335 kW and convert to hp (335*1.341)=449 hp

But from what I have read, you cannot just add the front and rear motor power. So what is the real life hp for AWD?

Anyone dyno’d the AWD?

 

[Zoomit]

“EPA rates” nothing. They just report what Tesla lists on their submission paperwork.

Correct, front and rear HP cannot just be added.

 

[jcfletch17]

Thanks to everyone who weighed in. So we are back to square one until someone “dyno’s” their AWD? We have some decent guesstimates on the horsepower. I’d really like to know the torque number. I think the torque is what I’m really feeling from 30 to 80 mph and it sure feel significantly more powerful than the standard LR Model 3.

 

[Snow Drift]

Wikipedia says the LR RWD has 283 hp at the motor, but I saw one dyno at 310 bhp, 325 wtq (Not full SOC, I have pics).

So, either Wiki is way off or Tesla is releasing low numbers.

 

[zhu-]

The one thing I've seen, consistently, is 450 hp for a AWD, non-P. Torque is another thing. It's seems to be between 420-512 tfp. Dynos should bear out numbers consistently.
This info, though not confirmed by TESLA, is what guided my buying a AWD, non-P. 1 Sec slower in the 0-60 didn't really have me drooling for the P. Of course, stiffer suspension, beefier brakes, spoiler, top speed, lowered and 20" rims are the other aspects lost. For those that jumped on the P-wagon, kudos!

How can an electric motor have more hp than torque? From what I've seen, LR RWD is around 280hp. P and standard AWD use the same motors, so it's possible the power isn't officially mentioned by Tesla because its capable of the same power but slightly software limited. Since many ~350hp ICE cars can hit mid 4s 0-60, I can't imagine the regular M3 AWD to be over 400hp.

 

[groovidad]

How can an electric motor have more hp than torque? From what I've seen, LR RWD is around 280hp. P and standard AWD use the same motors, so it's possible the power isn't officially mentioned by Tesla because its capable of the same power but slightly software limited. Since many ~350hp ICE cars can hit mid 4s 0-60, I can't imagine the regular M3 AWD to be over 400hp.

It's baffling to me, as well. I've not seen a Dyno video posting numbers, only talk. Not sure it really matters (?) considering drag videos showing P's and Non-P's easily taking down many performance ICE.

 

[Wildbill]

How can an electric motor have more hp than torque? From what I've seen, LR RWD is around 280hp. P and standard AWD use the same motors, so it's possible the power isn't officially mentioned by Tesla because its capable of the same power but slightly software limited. Since many ~350hp ICE cars can hit mid 4s 0-60, I can't imagine the regular M3 AWD to be over 400hp.

The LR RWD is rated at 280 hp, but the dyno result was 340 hp. So, it is possible that AWD non-performance on Dyno may come out to be 400+ hp.

It is just weird that no one has dyno'd an AWD or a performance AWD

 

[Snow Drift]

Here is a run in August on Long Island of a LR RWD. I think SOC was 70% or so.

310 bhp, 325 wtq