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Self power mode would definitely cause more cycling. In backup only mode the powerwall just sits there until you have an outage.
However I’m not sure that there’s really a definitive answer about what would be best for the batteries. Tesla warranties it for 10 years and an infinite number of cycles, so they don’t seem to be worried about cycles. There is also a school of thought that leaving the battery charged all the time without using it may also be bad for it. But again, doing that won’t affect the warranty either.
Honesty, Tesla put a lot of time and effort into logic that protects the batteries no matter how you use it, so I really wouldn’t let that make too much of a difference in how you decide to use your powerwalls.
Just to clarify the Powerwall is warrantied for 70% capacity at 10 years for backup only with no other qualifications. For all other uses its 70% capacity at 10 years as long as there is less than 37.8 MWh of throughput.
https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/powerwall/powerwall_2_ac_warranty_us_1-4.pdf
So @BrettS is correct about no cycle limits but there is a throughput limit on non backup uses.
Thanks for that clarification. I didn’t realize that there was a throughput limit. Although 37.8MWh is a *lot* of throughput for a single powerwall. That’s just over 10kWh per day, so basically it would be nearly completely draining and refilling the powerwall every single day for 10 years.
I don’t think 10kWh/day is that much if you’re self-powered, especially if it’s input+output. I’m easily seeing >20/day in+out with 2 PWs this week. >40 just yesterday (from PW 20, to PW 21). Reserve set to 40%. May need to set that reserve higher.
So, looking at my From Powerwall in the app for the month, it shows 317kWh. Divided by 26 days in the month so far, yields 12.19/day.Check out the (3) note on the warranty PDF:
3 Measured at the battery AC output.
You'd need every day to be like yesterday to get 10kWh AC output per Powerwall for 10 years straight to get to the warranty limit.
I'm curious @zƬesla if you're able to query your Powerwalls and get the battery energy_exported value. May shine some light on how far down on the warranty you are.
I'm in backup mode and mine is 22,070wh.
So, looking at my From Powerwall in the app for the month, it shows 317kWh. Divided by 26 days in the month so far, yields 12.19/day.
Yeah, I have that logged to a database. As of a few minutes ago the raw value was 918400. PWs installed ~3 months ago.
Just to clarify the Powerwall is warrantied for 70% capacity at 10 years for backup only with no other qualifications. For all other uses its 70% capacity at 10 years as long as there is less than 37.8 MWh of throughput.
https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/powerwall/powerwall_2_ac_warranty_us_1-4.pdf
So @BrettS is correct about no cycle limits but there is a throughput limit on non backup uses.
I havent read through to the end of the thread yet, so forgive me if someone said this already, but that throughput limit only applies if you are NOT charging your powerwall from solar, or at least thats how I read it. Its unlimited cycles when charged by solar.
the note from the link @gpez provided...
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Key words are "For daily self consumption AND / OR (ii) use as backup. It seems pretty clear to me that as long as you are charging your powerwall from solar only (as "most" in the US would be) that its "unlimited cycles" so no need to break out the calculator on throughput if you are charging from solar, for warranty purposes anyway.
You know I read that differently to start but after re-reading it with your notes I agree. Good catch.
but /e musing.... does stormwatch charging go into unlimited cycle bucket or throughput bucket? Does any off grid charging throw you into the "cycle" bucket?
Common sense says "no" (stormwatch doesnt count) but businesses dont operate on common sense..... shrug.... lol