Xenoilphobe
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Considering who buys Cadillac's I hope they automate the whole fleet so the few buyers that are still have a pulse dont hit me running red lights and going 35 MPH in the fast lane on in 70 MPH zone!!!!
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Bah! Ran over a ladder and damaged the undercarriage.
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f-stop
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That's something I wonder about too - ie how AP would handle such kind of debris/obstruction in the road. I'm guessing it might just drive right over it?
A couple years ago I was driving on a hilly/twisty stretch of I-5, and suddenly came upon a ladder on the road just as I rounded a curve. I was using AP in my Model S most of that trip, but I had disengaged it a bit prior since I was uncomfortable with the way AP was rounding some of the tighter curves at full highway speed. Luckily there were no other cars on that stretch of road and I had time & space to manually swerve. I'm not confident AP would have reacted the same way...
EVSteve
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This is one of the larger challenges for autonomous systems. They can detect objects but determining the difference between a large rock or a harmless plastic shopping bag hasn't been solved yet. In loads of videos where companies demonstrate collision mitigation systems they always use an inflatable "car" as the object. Everyone is so impressed by the system that few realize the dangerous flaw. A system slamming on the brakes in snow/rain because it thinks it see's an object. On tractor trailers this is especially dangerous. Even involving a deer it's safer to strike the animal vs swerving or jamming the brakes when loaded to 80,000 lbs. Yet almost weekly large heavy haul truck manufacturers tout the safety advantages of these horrible systems. They're not ready and drivers lives are being put at risk to sell a feature.
Dropped my car off at the service center this morning. Current estimate for the repair is $190, which seems very reasonable.
Glamisduner
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if it's just tears in the cloth, I don't think i would bother fixing it. Bad luck comes in 3's right so keep your eyes peeled!
ON the freeway in LA I once saw a lug-nut fly off a truck, bounce once then into the drivers side window opening of my car(window was down). I saw it out of the corner of my eye and ducked forward and the lugnut struck me in the back.
I have plowed into boxes falling off cars in front of me in my truck, and smashed into packages with my car that trucks in front of me straddled while jumping onto an Interchange. New cars sure don't stay new for long. There is not always something you can do about it.
ON the freeway in LA I once saw a lug-nut fly off a truck, bounce once then into the drivers side window opening of my car(window was down). I saw it out of the corner of my eye and ducked forward and the lugnut struck me in the back.
I have plowed into boxes falling off cars in front of me in my truck, and smashed into packages with my car that trucks in front of me straddled while jumping onto an Interchange. New cars sure don't stay new for long. There is not always something you can do about it.
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Picked up the car today - they had the part, so were able to replace it on this trip!
Not too bad for someone used to Model S prices.
Not too bad for someone used to Model S prices.
scrapps
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Looks like fiberglass Just repair it yourself! I know lots of people who used to repair their fiberglass canoes back in the day. Same principle surely
Just repair it yourself! I know lots of people who used to repair their fiberglass canoes back in the day. Same principle surely
Looks like fiberglass
LOL, I am sure I could have done that, however by the time I jacked the car up, removed the part, repaired it, cured the resin (making a big mess - I am not good with adhesives), I would rather just pay the $200 and be done.
Besides it was an opportunity to get a software update, although I didn't get 10.1, which is what I was hoping for. Boo.
In Washington State, there are. I don't know the exact fines and stuff, but I know that if your unsecured load causes property damage, it's a misdemeanor with a fine in the thousands, and if it causes injury or death, it has jail terms possible.
About 15 years ago, a battered old Astro minivan dropped his spare in front of me (like a lot of pickups, it's under the rear load floor on the outside, horizontal.) A guardrail on one side, a car on the other, and I'd grown up driving full size pickups, so I straddled it - and it crushed the oil pan flush with the block on my already ancient diesel Mercedes. I'm just lucky the block was deep-skirted enough to leave the crankshaft room to spin.
The worst one I saw I was fortunately a couple hundreds yards back when it happened. A flatbed semi locked up his brakes in the next lane over - and a second or two later, the steel bands broke and he threw a couple dozen 8 foot square half inch thick steel plates across three lanes horizontally. If I'd been five seconds earlier, I'm pretty sure it would have decapitated me (there was no one between me and the truck, either.)
If a FSD car came across the scenario the OP did, it has to decide whether it's going to swerve into another lane in a possibly illegal and dangerous fashion or try to straddle the debris. That's at least as big a problem as identifying the objects - deciding which rules to break and when. It's similar to the "who do you kill" problem that folks are using to spread FUD about autonomous cars, but more realistic.
Of course, Tesla may be able to reduce the probability of this, too. One of the things I'm expecting to come out of AP2 in due course is Tesla's own automated Waze type service, where the AP cars are automatically contributing data on traffic conditions and hazards to a database for the other cars to use. The conditional shots verygreen got from his car show that AP2 already has a solid understanding of things like construction and of course all the cars know where they are and how heavy the traffic around them is. In principle, a car could quite easily add a "debris on the road at x location in lane y" to the list, and the second Tesla to encounter it will already be in another lane (and if it changes lanes as someone suggested above, the third car will update the server with the new location.)
No, the FSD car just needs to stop to avoid an accident. There's no need to break a single road rule here.
Picked up the car today - they had the part, so were able to replace it on this trip!
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Not too bad for someone used to Model S prices.
Thanks for the detail @Az_Rael. A very similar thing just happened to me yesterday. Although I was on a surface street and I ran over what looks like a muffler. I had 1 second to react so rather than swerve or hard brake, I just hoped the lump metal I saw in the road was shorter than my clearance. Nope. Damn ICE cars and their extra parts!
My fiberglass undercarriage cover was torn in two places and a 12" long gouge down the battery case. I was wondering what this would cost, so thank you very much for all the info!
Daniel in SD
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$15k + 4.5hrs labor if you need a new battery. Hopefully the gouge is superficial.Thanks for the detail @Az_Rael. A very similar thing just happened to me yesterday. Although I was on a surface street and I ran over what looks like a muffler. I had 1 second to react so rather than swerve or hard brake, I just hoped the lump metal I saw in the road was shorter than my clearance. Nope. Damn ICE cars and their extra parts!
Thanks for the detail @Az_Rael. A very similar thing just happened to me yesterday. Although I was on a surface street and I ran over what looks like a muffler. I had 1 second to react so rather than swerve or hard brake, I just hoped the lump metal I saw in the road was shorter than my clearance. Nope. Damn ICE cars and their extra parts!
Yeah, it’s not too bad for just the fiber thingie. Keep an eye out for fluid leaks though, there are a lot of coolant hoses just under the fiber part. Battery coolant is blue supposedly.
SageBrush
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It looks like the car in front of your swerved but I think I might have straddled just like you did.
I like to keep a mental note if anyone is on either side of me at all times. Just so I know immediately if I'm able to swerve into an ajacent lane or not should the need arise.
In this situation, the shoulder is on the left, so that was always an opening for him. But yeah... usually the safest route is not to jerk the car around. Sometimes that works, sometimes not.
