Basic AutoPilot on Model S Refresh

[Carlos Danger]

I ordered a new Model S LR without the $10,000 Full AutoPilot option.

What AutoPilot features will I get without this option?

 

[Rupe]

Like version 1. Will maintain lane & change lanes safely when commanded. Dynamic cruise control

 

[Rupe]

My Plaid just reported “Front radar restricted” preventing engagement of cruise control. Clear weather with no obstructions. As far as I know Plaid/LR don’t even have a radar

 

[cytranic]

My Plaid just reported “Front radar restricted” preventing engagement of cruise control. Clear weather with no obstructions. As far as I know Plaid/LR don’t even have a radar

They do have a radar, and use it for AP

 

[Issaction]

Like version 1. Will maintain lane & change lanes safely when commanded. Dynamic cruise control

Wait, you can press the blinker to change lanes with base autopilot?

 

[sdorn]

Wait, you can press the blinker to change lanes with base autopilot?

I don't think so. My Model 3 didn't have that feature until I subscribed to the monthly FSD plan.

As far as I know basic Autopilot has radar cruise control and lane keeping. You have to manually change lanes, and it doesn't have Summon or Autopark. It also won't stop at stop signs or traffic lights. Navigate on Autopilot, which automatically changes lanes including taking exits based on NAV, is also not part of basic AP.

I will add that nothing in FSD is really that great. Summon is a party trick that doesn't work reliably. Lane changes executed by the car are slow and poorly executed generally. Traffic lights and stop sign recognition isn't as great as it sounds, and it stops at green lights and flashing caution lights which is a pain in the ass. Honestly there is virtually no value at all in FSD currently. I didn't pay for it on my Model 3 and I didn't include it on my Model S Plaid order either. I may do the monthly subscription for a while, and that is always an option if you want to try it out. At $200/month the subscription makes much more sense financially than an upfront payment of $10,000.

 

[headcase]

I don't think so. My Model 3 didn't have that feature until I subscribed to the monthly FSD plan.

As far as I know basic Autopilot has radar cruise control and lane keeping. You have to manually change lanes, and it doesn't have Summon or Autopark. It also won't stop at stop signs or traffic lights. Navigate on Autopilot, which automatically changes lanes including taking exits based on NAV, is also not part of basic AP.

I will add that nothing in FSD is really that great. Summon is a party trick that doesn't work reliably. Lane changes executed by the car are slow and poorly executed generally. Traffic lights and stop sign recognition isn't as great as it sounds, and it stops at green lights and flashing caution lights which is a pain in the ass. Honestly there is virtually no value at all in FSD currently. I didn't pay for it on my Model 3 and I didn't include it on my Model S Plaid order either. I may do the monthly subscription for a while, and that is always an option if you want to try it out. At $200/month the subscription makes much more sense financially than an upfront payment of $10,000.

Exactly.

 

[Thepugster]

You get auto steer and traffic aware cruise control

 

[BigNick]

Wait, you can press the blinker to change lanes with base autopilot?

Only with AP1 AFAIK. AP2+ requires FSD for this functionality.

I fully believe if it had been Tesla instead of MobilEye hardware, this functionality of AP1 would have been removed at some point and moved into an "FSD lite" package for AP1.

 

[headcase]

Just to reiterate what others have said, FSD for me is currently nothing more than a package of unreliable party tricks.

Coming from AP1 in my previous Model S, I just can’t see the value beyond adaptive cruise and lane keep.

 

[M3LA]

Just to confirm - If you have a non-FSD refresh, are on autopilot on the freeway and trigger the turn signal, the car will not switch into the adjacent lane on its own? If so, that’s a bummer. I’ve had FSD on my Model 3 for three years and it has been completely useless, so there’s no way I’m rushing into paying the monthly for FSD for the new S. That lane change upon manual activation of the turn signal will be the one thing I miss.

Yet another reminder how sh1tty it is of Tesla not to allow owners to transfer their FSD to a new car since they bought into a promise from Tesla that has never been realized…

 

[WilliamG]

Just to confirm - If you have a non-FSD refresh, are on autopilot on the freeway and trigger the turn signal, the car will not switch into the adjacent lane on its own? If so, that’s a bummer. I’ve had FSD on my Model 3 for three years and it has been completely useless, so there’s no way I’m rushing into paying the monthly for FSD for the new S. That lane change upon manual activation of the turn signal will be the one thing I miss.

Yet another reminder how sh1tty it is of Tesla not to allow owners to transfer their FSD to a new car since they bought into a promise from Tesla that has never been realized…

That’s correct. No switching lane upon signal press unless you have FSD.

 

[Rupe]

Like version 1. Will maintain lane & change lanes safely when commanded. Dynamic cruise control

I just repeated what a Tesla Tech told me. I described what my Ver 1 AP does in my Model S P85DL. Ver 1 does require holding the turn signal until in the other lane, then it can be released. Release it too early, and it will quickly go back to the original lane.