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Better SEATS are coming to Model S

Discussion in 'Model S: Interior & Exterior' started by UMD86, Jun 8, 2014.

  1. UMD86

    UMD86 Member

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    I mentioned to my wife last weekend that Tesla needs to improve their seats. They are not comfortable!!!! Today I read the USA Today article where MUSK said they plan to improve the seats.

    THANK YOU....... Hope I can change out mine. After 19,000 miles I need more comfort.

    Tesla makes improvements to Model S electric car
     
  2. tdiggity

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    Also mentioned in the shareholders video from last week. I hope they aren't an arm or a leg in cost...probably going to be $2k for both seats at least.
     
  3. Shumdit

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    If it requires the seats be swapped out completely I will guess $4k minimum and likely closer to $5k
     
  4. AudubonB

    AudubonB Mild-mannered Moderator Lord Vetinari*

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    In advance: this information never will be forthcoming, at least out of the United States, as for whatever reason Americans are hyper-sensitive about this, but:

    I am wondering what the statistics are on individuals' weights and waistlines, and how that correlates with comfort level of the Model S seats. My wife and I both find the car's seating to be exceedingly comfortable for all-day driving.

    Full disclosure: I weight 150lbs; 33" waist. Wife is 130lbs, ??? waist.
     
  5. ecarfan

    ecarfan Well-Known Member

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    My wife and I are very happy with the seats. Have done 420 miles in a single day. I am 190 lbs 33" waist, wife is 111 lbs, not much waist!
     
  6. CmdrThor

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    This thread is quickly turning into "my wife is hotter than yours".
     
  7. RobStark

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    Body weight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    [TH="class: headerSort, bgcolor: #F2F2F2, align: center"]Country[/TH][TH="class: headerSort, bgcolor: #F2F2F2, align: center"]Average male weight[/TH][TH="class: headerSort, bgcolor: #F2F2F2, align: center"]Average female weight[/TH][TH="class: headerSort, bgcolor: #F2F2F2, align: center"]Sample population /
    age range[/TH][TH="class: headerSort, bgcolor: #F2F2F2, align: center"]Methodology[/TH][TH="class: headerSort, bgcolor: #F2F2F2, align: center"]Year[/TH][TH="class: headerSort, bgcolor: #F2F2F2, align: center"]Source[/TH]
    Brazil72.7 kg (160.3 lb)62.5 kg (137.8 lb)20–74Measured2008–2009[SUP][4][/SUP]
    Canada80.3 kg (177 lb)

    Measured
    [SUP][5][/SUP]
    Chile77.3 kg (170.4 lb)67.5 kg (148.8 lb)15+Measured2009–2010[SUP][6][/SUP]
    Finland82.1 kg (181 lb)

    Measured
    [SUP][5][/SUP]
    Germany82.4 kg (181.7 lb)67.5 kg (148.8 lb)18+Measured2005[SUP][7][/SUP]
    South Korea68.6 kg (151.2 lb)56.5 kg (124.6 lb)18+Measured2007[SUP][8][/SUP]
    Sweden81.9 kg (180.6 lb)66.7 kg (147.0 lb)16–84Measured2003-2004[SUP][9][/SUP]
    UKWales84.0 kg (185.2 lb)69.0 kg (152.1 lb)16+Measured2009[SUP][10][/SUP]
    United States88.3 kg (194.7 lb)74.7 kg (164.7 lb)20+Measured2003-2006[SUP][11][/SUP]
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    What is the average waist size in the US? Ideal waist sizes
    should be your goal if you want to stay healthy.
    But these are not the
    average waist sizes.

    Waist sizes in the US and in the UK have increased dramatically
    over the past 40 years.

    In fact, Government surveys have found that, over the past 40
    years, the average waist size for women in the US has increased
    23%, from 30 inches to 37 inches. The average waist size for
    men has increased 11.4%, from 35 inches to 39 inches.

    It's clear that, overall, most of us are not maintaining a healthy
    waist size.

    How Does the Average American Waist Size Compare to the
    Average Waist Size of Women in Europe?

    And the news is not much better for the UK. A survey of over
    54,000 people in July of 2012 by researchers from Nuffield
    Health, a UK charity, discovered that over 50% of all women in
    the UK (England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland) have a
    waist size that is over the recommended healthy limit.

    UK health authorities recommend a waist size of 80 cm (31.49)
    or less. But the study found that the average waist size for
    women in the UK is 84.9 cm (33.43) approximately 6% larger
    than the healthy limit.

    According to another study by scientists at TNS Sofres
    Healthcare and Roche Pharmaceuticals in France, women all
    over Europe are experiencing the same increases in waist sizes
    and dress sizes that started to plague America. The study, lead
    by Dr. Marie-Aline Charles, discovered that since the 1950s,
    the
    waist size of British women has grown by 6 inches. Their dress
    size has increased from a size 12 in to 15. Perhaps more
    remarkably, 47% of all British women are a size 16 or larger.

    What about the French? Surprisingly, this same study found
    that in France, both women and men are starting to gain weight
    and grow larger waist lines, though they are still among the
    thinnest people in Europe.

    Since 1990, the average French man and woman has gained
    6.83 lbs and put on 1.85 inches around the waist.

    An earlier study by Dr. Marie-Aline Charles and others
    completed in 2006 broke out the data just for French women.
    Looking at French women only, the data showed they have seen
    their waistlines increase from 79.5 to 79.9 centimeters, still
    below the magical "80 cm" healthy limit but, for the
    weight-conscious French, an unacceptable rise of almost 1/2 a
    centimeter --- less than 1/4 of an inch.

    Normal Waist Size


    The differences in weight/waist between Germany and the USA is small and between the USA and the UK even smaller.

    But lets get real. Bubba ain't buying many Model S. It is primarily coastal elites. Again that may offend many, but that is the reality. The average household income for the Model S buyer in the USA is over $160k. These are not the same people gorging themselves at McDonald's dollar menu but the people buying fresh veggies at Whole Foods.
     
  8. islandbayy

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    #8 islandbayy, Jun 8, 2014
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    I have done over 1,000 miles in a single day. I like the firm seats. Few occasions where my Angus Beef was a bit raw, I just put my cushion from my truck on the seat. But that has been a RARE occurrence.

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    Heh, I guess that makes my $40k/year income with 2 car payments and mortgage and still money for a nice vacation + bank some for retirement seem like chump change. On the other hand, you can afford a lot when you know how to manage your money. Though, I did get a MS60 instead of MS85.
     
  9. Krugerrand

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    Just what I wanted to see - male dummies in undies.
     
  10. RobStark

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    Congrats you are part of the 2% of Model S owners that earn less than $50k.

    Then again, money goes a lot farther in suburban Milwaukee than in Los Angeles, San Francisco or New York City.
     
  11. David99

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    No problems with the seat comfort even on 8 hour road trips. I'm on the tall and heavy side. My love is on the smaller side and she also said the Model S is so much more comfortable than her ride (Doge truck).
     
  12. Odenator

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    Yup, need new seats. They feel like the padding is crushed.
     
  13. Chipper

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    Where does this statistic come from? I have not heard/seen this previously. Like Islandbayy, I fall WELL below this mark also.
     
  14. zwede

    zwede 2013 P85+

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    Maybe Warren Buffet got a MS and single handedly lifted the average $100K? I wish I made $160K.
     
  15. Bardlebee

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    A good start to the morning!
     
  16. StephenM

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    LOL!

    As for the seats, they lack support for spirited driving, but otherwise are comfortable to me. My commutes are not generally very long though I'm sitting at 20k miles in 14 months.
     
  17. dsm363

    dsm363 Roadster + Sig Model S

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    Have you had the temp fix done? Have that scheduled later this week.
     
  18. 100thMonkey

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    we find the seats comfortable enough, and we do quite a bit of all day driving. the thing I find lacking is the support from side to side, if we do anything approaching canyon carving or quick lane changes at high speeds, I move around quite a bit. 6'3"/220
     
  19. hiroshiy

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    I'm still waiting for delivery but have tried test drives several times and rented one for one week. I agree with StephenM that it lacks lateral support, but for me it is lower priority.

    What I would like to see in the new seats is the sturdiness of the surface leather. IMHO it too easily get wrinkles and butt marks, which make the leather seats look old and tired.
     
  20. Gizmotoy

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    My main complaint with the seats isn't that they're not comfortable, but that there's no lateral support whatsoever. I realize this is a common concession in American cars to account for the size of the average person, but they're bad enough that they're easily my #1 complaint about the vehicle. Having come from cars with proper bucket seats I thought I would be able to get used to the what are essentially individual bench seats in the Model S, but I haven't.

    I'm glad they're revising them. The desperately need it.
     

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